Dave G8WRB
As I said before You have my Parts and you didn't PAY for them,
and that's steeling... I told you if you sent them back I would pay
the shipping. You won't do that. So who it the thief?
Boyd W6DSB
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Kirkby <davek@medphys.ucl.ac.uk>
To: amps <amps@contesting.com>
Cc: Boyd Fulbright <boyd@humboldt1.com>
To: <amps@contesting.com>
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 10:34 AM
Subject: [AMPS] G8WRB's response to Boyd Fulbright's false accusations.
>
>Hi all,
> I hope no one minds me using the AMP's newgroup for this
>purpose, but Boyd Fulbright (he has used the callsigns W6DSB and N6DMF)
>has sent two emails to this group (and one to an individual),
>implicating me for failing to pay for some rectifier diodes. Naturally,
>I want to have my say too! I appreciate this is a personal matter
>between myself and Boyd Fulbright, but since he has decided to make it
>public, I have no alternative but to respond here.
>
>On the 14th of May 1998, Boyd Fulbright advertised some high voltage
>rectifiers on the AMP's news group. Some of you may still have the
>email.
>
>> Building a Big Amp? I have 7 open stack
>> High Voltage Rectifiers For Sale. They
>> are 24KV@ 5.5 Amp, 400 Amp Surge
>> each. It takes 4 to build a full wave bridge.
>> You won't blow these out!
>> They are RCA #3462541/CR304. Will sell
>> all 7 for $150.00 + shipping
>
>> Reply to: boyd@humboldt1.com
>
>> Thanks,
>> Boyd N6DMF
>
>I agreed to purchase these, and sent a Eurocheque for $185 to him. He
>sent the diodes, along with a couple of very small screws I needed for
>something else.
>
>Later he said the cheque had bounced, although I know this not to be
>true. His bank refused to process the cheque. Even the bank documents he
>sent me shows the reason the bank did not process the cheque was that it
>was too small and would be virtually wiped out by *his* banks charges of
>$75. There were adequate funds in my account to cover the cheque.
>
>I agreed to send the money electronically, but I did not have Boyd's
>routing code. My bank suggested I used a bank draft, which I arranged.
>Boyd seemed happy with this too. On 7th July 1998, he emailed me:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>> It sounds like out banks are having a time getting together.
>> The bank draft should be ok. Thanks for all your trouble.
>
>The diodes arrived before I had received the bank draft from my bank. On
>inspection I had serious doubts that the rectifier stacks were anything
>like he advertised them as. The stacks each have 10 diodes in series,
>each shunted by a 0.01uF cap and a 510 k 1W resistor. I calculated that
>if 24 kV were put across the diodes, the resistors would need to
>dissipate 11.3 W each (total 113 W), and the diodes take 2.4 kV each.
>I've yet to see 2.4 kV 5.5 A diodes, and certainly never seen an 11 W
>resistor the size of a 1W resistor.
>
>I queried this with Boyd, who said in an email to me on the 17th July.
>
>> Hi Dave,
>> Well I am sorry you are not happy with the Rectifier Boards.
>> I bought them from a Ham that is a tech at a 25 KW FM Transmitter
>> in Redding Ca., and these were the backups for the high voltage
>> power supply for transmitter. They used 4 to make a full wave bridge.
>
>> I am enclosing 2 JPG pictures out of a catalog that I have that
>has
>> Open Stack High Rectifiers that are equal to the ones that I sent you.
>
>> This gives the current, and voltage etc. (# 50050)
>
>Boyd Fulbright expected me to accept that the diodes he sent me, (RCA
>type CR304) are equal to the #50050 in the catalogue he scanned for me.
>(I'm not sure if this was an RCA catalogue, but in any case the numbers
>are completely different). The diodes had a few similarities, but were
>clearly not the same.
>
>On the 22nd of July I decided to email this group to see if someone
>could see a flaw in my argument, or better still provide the full spec
>of the RCA CR304 diodes. Several people responded to me privately and
>expressed doubt that the diodes were of 24 kV ratings. Don Dashney
>(VE3RM) posted his response to the AMPS news group, and had the full
>spec of the diodes.
>
>> Here are the specs from RCA Solid State Databook SSD-206, page 353:
>
>>Peak Reverse volts, Repetitive ....................... 3000
>>Peak Reverse Volts, Non-repetitive ................... 7200
>> RMS Supply volts ..................................... 4240
>> DC Blocking Volts .................................... 6000
><snip>
>> Hope this helps,
>> vy 73
>> Don VE3RM
>
>At this point, I knew the diodes were grossly under the advertised
>specification. Unfortunately, I had already got the bank draft for
>$175, which cost me #123.69 (UK pounds). I sent the bank draft back to
>my bank by recorded delivery (at a cost of #3) and finally got credited
>with #90.90 by my bank (National Westminster). Hence Boyd Fulbrights
>errors in advertising diodes at about 4x their actual spec, had cost me
>#35.79. That about $59 (US dollars).
>
>I've told Boyd that I'm happy to return the diodes to him, but expect my
>costs to be refunded first. He seems to think I had planned all along
>not to pay him, as his emails say.
>
>> I think you have done this type of thing before! I also think
>> this was you intent from the start. That's why you would
>> not send me a draft from the start, and told me that you
>
>Another email from him on the 4th of August says.
>
>< Looks to me you have figured out a way to get other ham's to
>< supply you with parts to build you a "Free Amp"!!!!! Nice going.
>
>I have put copies of the application I made for a US bank draft, a copy
>(admittedly not a great one) of the actual draft my bank sent me, and
>the advice notice I received from my bank. They can be found (as .tif
>files) at the medphys.ucl.ac.uk ftp site in the directory
>pub/users/davek/boyd. Contra to what Boyd thinks, I did intend paying
>him for the diodes, but I'm not willing to pay for diodes that have
>about 25% of the spec he quoted. Neither am I willing to pay #29 to
>return them to him, unless he first pays my bank charges.
>
>I'm neither dishonest, nor a complete mug. If I do as Boyd suggests, and
>return the diodes now at my expense, I will be out of pocket by about
>#65 (more than 100 US dollars). He has agreed to reimburse my postage
>costs, but expects me to pay my bank charges. Somehow I suspect if I
>return the diodes, that will be the last I hear from him.
>
>Once again, sorry for having to bore (or entertain) everyone with this
>on the reflector, but I hope you all appreciate that I don't wish to be
>accused of dishonesty, and that this is my only medium to respond. I
>have traded with several hams here without problems, buy I don't feel I
>should suffer financially as a result of someone else advertising goods
>at about 4x the actual ratings.
>
>I will not re-post any more to this reflector on this subject, but will
>answer any queries from anyone on this matter by private email. If
>anyone wishes, I'm willing to send every email from myself to Bold, and
>from him to me.
>
>There is a point we can all learn from this - buying from the internet
>can be risky. This is especially true if the person selling goods is
>Boyd Fulbright, who seems to invent specifications as if he were writing
>a fiction story.
>
>G8WRB
>
>
>
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