Amps
[Top] [All Lists]

Fwd: Re: [AMPS] Runaway amp

To: <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Fwd: Re: [AMPS] Runaway amp
From: vk6apk@eon.net.au (Alek Petkovic)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 05:42:51 +0800

To: <amps@contesting.com>
>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:40:33 +0800
>To: W0YR@aol.com
>From: Alek Petkovic <vk6apk@eon.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [AMPS] Runaway amp
>
>Do you have a bad doorknob cap in the loading circuit perhaps? It could 
>cause those sort of symptoms as it heats up and changes value under load.
>
>73 de Alek,
>VK6APK
>
>
>
>At 01:58 PM 16-02-01 -0500, you wrote:
>>  AMP: Harris RF-110A (Pair of 4CX-1500Bs)
>>  PROBLEM: Plate current and power output creep up after about 15 seconds
>>under
>>  "keydown" condition.
>>
>>  The amplifier will "run away" with itself until the overloads kick in.
>>
>>  Scenario: Amp is excited to about a kw output with carrier.  Key down 
>> for 30
>>  seconds.  Power slowly increases to 1400 watts and would keep on 
>> increasing
>>  until the overloads kick it off.  When I let up on the key, the idling
>>  current is high and then it slowly returns to its normal state.
>>
>>  Have measured the grid bias, no change under "heat up 
>> conditions."  Same for
>>  the zener regulated screen voltage supply. (I had thought the zeners were
>>  heating up and causing the screen voltage to rise, thus causing the 
>> increase
>>  in amplification.  Apparently not so, no measurable increase in screen
>>  voltage.)
>>
>>  I do not have extensive experience with ceramic tubes.  Is this runaway
>>  output because of "soft" tubes?  They REALLY put out.  Or maybe it is
>>thermal
>>  runaway, though the powerful air system on this military amp is working ok
>>  (and certainly makes enough noise).
>>
>>  Under SSB conditions everything appears normal -- obviously due to the
>>  markedly lower duty cycle.
>>
>>  Anybody got any ideas?
>>
>>  Mike
>>  W0YR
>>
>>Return-Path: <>
>>Received: from  rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (rly-ye03.mail.aol.com 
>>[172.18.151.200]) by air-ye04.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Fri, 
>>16 Feb 2001 12:17:33 -0500
>>Received: from  paris.akorn.net (paris.akorn.net [216.1.128.10]) by 
>>rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:17:04 -0500
>>Received: from localhost (localhost)
>>         by paris.akorn.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1GH3lM06893;
>>         Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:17:03 -0500
To: <amps@contesting.com>
>>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:17:03 -0500
>>From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@paris.akorn.net>
>>Message-Id: <200102161717.f1GH3lM06893@paris.akorn.net>
>>To: <W0YR@aol.com>
>>MIME-Version: 1.0
>>Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
>>         boundary="f1GH3lM06893.982343823/paris.akorn.net"
>>Subject: Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours
>>Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (warning-timeout)
>>X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version)
>>
>>     **********************************************
>>     **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      **
>>     **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  **
>>     **********************************************
>>
>>The original message was received at Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:15:51 -0500
>>from imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]
>>
>>    ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors -----
>><amps@contesting.com>
>>
>>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>><amps@contesting.com>... Deferred: Connection timed out with 
>>dayton.akorn.net.
>>Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
>>Will keep trying until message is 5 days old
>>Reporting-MTA: dns; paris.akorn.net
To: <amps@contesting.com>
>>Arrival-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:15:51 -0500
>>
>>Final-Recipient: RFC822; amps@contesting.com
>>Action: delayed
>>Status: 4.4.1
>>Remote-MTA: DNS; dayton.akorn.net
To: <amps@contesting.com>
>>Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:17:02 -0500
>>Will-Retry-Until: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:15:51 -0500
>>Return-Path: <W0YR@aol.com>
>>Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2])
>>         by paris.akorn.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1GDFp900963
>>         for <amps@contesting.com>; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:15:51 -0500
>>Received: from W0YR@aol.com
>>         by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id g.6b.ff01ab2 (664)
>>         for <amps@contesting.com>; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:14:27 -0500 (EST)
>>From: W0YR@aol.com
>>Message-ID: <6b.ff01ab2.27be81b3@aol.com>
To: <amps@contesting.com>
>>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:14:27 EST
>>Subject: Creepy Amplifier
>>To: amps@contesting.com
>>MIME-Version: 1.0
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129
>>
>>AMP: Harris RF-110A (Pair of 4CX-1500Bs)
>>PROBLEM: Plate current and power output creep up after about 15 seconds 
>>under
>>"keydown" condition.
>>
>>The amplifier will "run away" with itself until the overloads kick in.
>>
>>Scenario: Amp is excited to about a kw output with carrier.  Key down for 30
>>seconds.  Power slowly increases to 1400 watts and would keep on increasing
>>until the overloads kick it off.  When I let up on the key, the idling
>>current is high and then it slowly returns to its normal state.
>>
>>Have measured the grid bias, no change under "heat up conditions."  Same for
>>the zener regulated screen voltage supply. (I had thought the zeners were
>>heating up and causing the screen voltage to rise, thus causing the increase
>>in amplification.  Apparently not so, no measurable increase in screen
>>voltage.)
>>
>>I do not have extensive experience with ceramic tubes.  Is this runaway
>>output because of "soft" tubes?  They REALLY put out.  Or maybe it is 
>>thermal
>>runaway, though the powerful air system on this military amp is working ok
>>(and certainly makes enough noise).
>>
>>Under SSB conditions everything appears normal -- obviously due to the
>>markedly lower duty cycle.
>>
>>Anybody got any ideas?
>>
>>Mike
>>W0YR


--
FAQ on WWW:               http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps
Submissions:              amps@contesting.com
Administrative requests:  amps-REQUEST@contesting.com
Problems:                 owner-amps@contesting.com


<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>