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[AMPS] Conjugate Matching In Class B and C Amplifiers

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Subject: [AMPS] Conjugate Matching In Class B and C Amplifiers
From: 2@vc.net (2)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:15:29 -0700
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>>From: Jon Ogden <na9d@speakeasy.net>
>>To: Billy Ward <billydeanward@hotmail.com>, Amps Reflector 
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>>Subject: Re: [AMPS] Conjugate Matching In Class B and C Amplifiers
To: <amps@contesting.com>
>>Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:42:57 -0500
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>>on 5/15/01 4:45 PM, Billy Ward at billydeanward@hotmail.com wrote:
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>> > Linear Amplifiers may or may not be conjugately matched. For maximum 
>>power
>> > transfer to occur both in and out, and for the amplifier to be
>> > unconditionally stable, there must be a simultaneous conjugate match.
>> > This is not always easy as the input match affects the input match and 
>>visa
>> > versa. However, it CAN be done.
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>>Conjugate matching is not required for unconditional stability.    That's 
>>incorrect.  Many low noise amplifiers are purposely mismatched because 
>>simultaneous conjugate match generally does not equal minimum noise figure.
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>I was not taking minimum noise figure into the context of what I said.  I am 
>willing to learn.  I purposely mismatch for best noise figure. in low-level 
>stages, also. However, I am curious how that makes my statement incorrect 
>that Conjugate Matching is not required for unconditional stability.
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>>Unconditional stability is determined by K factor of Linville's theorem (if
>I remember the name correctly, it's been a while.).
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>I, also, do not remember the theorem name but it sounds correct.
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>>Additionally, adjusting input match does not necessarily always affect the 
>>output match and vice versa.  I am trying to think whether or not your 
>>statement is correct.  Too many cobwebs upstairs right now.
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>Well, I came in on this thread late and my statement was referring to power 
>circuits and it may not apply in low-level but I have spent my life in power 
>design and manufacture.
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>>Generally speaking of this subject, I had always thought that the 
>>efficiency of an amplifier and whether or not you simulataneously match it 
>>were independent.  It wasn't until coming onto this reflector and reading 
>>stuff from the likes of Dick Erhorn that some people feel that a conjugate 
>>match guarantees 50% efficiency or less.
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>I haven't read after Dick Erhorn as I am on four reflectors and don't get to 
>read everything but if he is teaching along this line I will pay more 
>attention.
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>However, The power transfer arrived at by the Conjugate Match is most easily 
>proven by understanding the standard POWER THEORUM which states that maximum 
>power transfer will occur when the resistance of the load is equal to the 
>resistance of the driver.  Then carry that further by realizing that when 
>the impedance of the driver is equal in value but of the opposite sign to 
>that of the load, it is, of course, cancelled leaving only the real part. I 
>realize that you have had a good grasp of resonance for many years with your 
>experience, but some folks over look the fact that when resonance occurs, it 
>brings us back to the standard POWER THEORUM, so looking at a voltage 
>divider which has equal resistances leaves half of the power across each 
>resistive element which equates to 50% efficiency.
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yea, verily, Billy

cheers
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-  R. L. Measures, 805.386.3734, www.vcnet.com/measures.  
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