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Re: [BULK] - Re: [Amps] Why price difference/30S1

To: "K7RDX" <k7rdx@earthlink.net>, "Steve Katz" <stevek@jmr.com>,"'bob finger'" <finger@goeaston.net>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [BULK] - Re: [Amps] Why price difference/30S1
From: "Gary Smith" <wa6fgi@sbcglobal.net>
Reply-to: Gary Smith <wa6fgi@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:08:35 -0800
List-post: <mailto:amps@contesting.com>
Hope that will enjoy the following (really) off topic response.

My goat (nightwatch blue, two door hardtop) was special ordered for me from the 
local dealer in early `65 with three two's and 3.23 "Kansas" gearing and one of 
the first am/fm car radios anybody had ever seen.

An even hundred mph in fourth when traveling form California to Utah through 
Nevada was for a nice and steady 4,000 rpm.

Made it from my home near Sacto CA to Ogden UT many times in 8 hrs 30 mins or 
so. 690 miles was the trip, I want to recall.

Ahh, the good old days(?)

The kid down the street whose father owned a junk yard, he brought home a two 
409's for the kid.  One had been rolled, the other stolen and stripped of 
engine and trans.  Well, one was made out of the two, I was the # 1 wrench 
twirler in the neighborhood. To make a long story short, I could spend the rest 
of my life telling the sad tales of the how the 409 block (ex 348 or "W" block) 
was not strong enough to withstand the rigors of both racing and daily driving. 
 Papa bought so many 409 blocks for that kid's car (each one supposedly 
stronger than the last one that lost its main bearing webbings straight down 
and out of the crankcase) the parts guy at the Chevy dealer was able to 
recognize my voice right off from the git go even at a whisper.

Pontiac's 389-400- 28 cu in engines (remember the phrase Tin Indian?) had a 
sorry-assed oiling system, but it  could be made to work.  But GM's 409 block? 
ARRRRGH!!!

No, I do not wish for the good old days.  (Well, I do but not all of `em.) And 
then smog controls came along and ruined all of our fun.  At least in 
California.
73
Gary    
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: K7RDX 
  To: Gary Smith ; Steve Katz ; 'bob finger' ; amps@contesting.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [BULK] - Re: [Amps] Why price difference/30S1


  Hey Gary do you remember the " Dual carb,four speed, hot rod 409? Kinda like
  our taste in amps....Some of us could never be happy without building our
  own hotrod...Jim K7RDX..
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Gary Smith" <wa6fgi@sbcglobal.net>
  To: "Steve Katz" <stevek@jmr.com>; "'bob finger'" <finger@goeaston.net>;
  <amps@contesting.com>
  Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [BULK] - Re: [Amps] Why price difference/30S1


  I had one, gave it back to its owner with no regrets.  Have talked with
  those who restore the Collins war horses such as these, was told the first
  thing that is done in the interest of saving someone form pulling out ALL of
  their hair is to remove and completely update the relay deck.

  To whit: open frame relays manufactured to (Art?) Collins spec by Elgin
  watch company? NLA to say the least a long time ago. Start-step current
  inrush control relay in a vacuum tube (a good idea long long ago,)
  manufactured by Edison electric (this is not a joke) it too NLA.
  Keep in mind this is a really good 10db amp that was designed probably in
  the late 50's for the military but due to the fact that Art was a ham he
  also sold them to those who could afford them.

  Fwiw, I have an Ameritron AL800H that will run circles around that 30s-one,
  Collins inc. rated it for 600 watt out all day long, (I read this in the
  Collins manual that accompanied the amp) while the 800 H, I tune it at an
  easy 750 watts on rtty and then go to voice.  It isn't even breaking a sweat
  at "legal."  And yes, I have seen a lot more on a dummy load.  But the smell
  of hot xmfr oil upsets my cats.

  Did have a fine Al-80b, the 800 H is the additional three db beyond  that
  which I wanted.  Imho, watts is like the horsepower I had in my `65 GTO: its
  there if you want it, but you don't need it all of the time.

  Enough from me.  (Actually way too much.)
  73,
  Gary
  WA6FGI




    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Steve Katz
    To: 'bob finger' ; amps@contesting.com
    Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 9:47 AM
    Subject: RE: [BULK] - Re: [Amps] Why price difference/30S1


    30S1 = "collector's" amp, actual value is based on collectability, kind of
    like an old MG.

    NTITAI, I should have kept my 1967 Austin-Healy 3000 Mk III.  It never ran
    worth a crap, but I see ones today in lesser condition than mine was
    (purchased used but mint cdx in '69 for $2500) selling at auction for over
    $70,000.  Darn!

    -WB2WIK/6

    -----Original Message-----
    From: bob finger [mailto:finger@goeaston.net]
    Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 9:45 AM
    To: amps@contesting.com
    Subject: [BULK] - Re: [Amps] Why price difference/30S1


    And does not include 160, nor does it have fast t/r switching desireable
    today.  Pretty amp tho. 73 bob de w9ge


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