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Re: [Amps] Dentron MLA2500 SWR Question

Subject: Re: [Amps] Dentron MLA2500 SWR Question
From: "Adrian Rees" <rees.a@btconnect.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:49:05 +0100
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There is a 200 Ohm Swamping Resistor in place. 

I replaced the original (which had been removed by the previous owner) with
a 200 Ohm non inductive resistor made up of a few resistors in Series /
Parallel arrangement to achieve the 200 Ohms at 50 Watts.The resistor was
also replaced to lengthen the life of the 8875's as well as to be clean on
air.

I will investigate the bandswitch tomorrow, as that sort of makes sense. 

73 for now

Adrian  

-----Original Message-----
From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Alex Eban
Sent: 01 August 2008 18:42
To: 'Carl'; n8de@thepoint.net
Cc: 'amps@contesting.com'
Subject: Re: [Amps] Dentron MLA2500 SWR Question


Hi Adrian:
It's not hysteresis!
What happens is more akin with motor boating: the power cutback isn't
instantaneous, so that it takes a little time for it to activate and then to
release when it detects the lowering of the SWR. You need the input resistor
in order to equalize the input impedance of the tube over its operating
cycle, don't go without it: maybe a little more power but also a lot more
distortion.
Alex    4Z5KS

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From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Carl
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:15 PM
To: n8de@thepoint.net
Cc: amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Dentron MLA2500 SWR Question

Another option is to build a broadband input assembly patterned after 
the 2 hole 8874 Alphas.

Carl
KM1H


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From: <n8de@thepoint.net>
To: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Cc: "Adrian Rees" <rees.a@btconnect.com>; "amps@contesting.com" 
<Amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Dentron MLA2500 SWR Question


Carl beat me to it.
The swamping resistor is probably kaput, disconnected, or missing. Don N8DE

Quoting Carl <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>:

> Is the input swamping resistor connected? Many clip it out so they can 
> get another 200 Watts and fry the tubes faster.
>
> Also check that the bandswitch doesnt have a fried contact.
>
> I have a MLA-2500 here as backup and the TS-940 drives it with no 
> problem on any band.
>
> Carl
> KM1H
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adrian Rees" <rees.a@btconnect.com>
> To: "amps@contesting.com" <Amps@contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:56 AM
> Subject: [Amps] Dentron MLA2500 SWR Question
>
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I have a Dentron MLA2500 linear, which mostly works fine, and I'm 
>> getting lots of RF out.
>>
>> However, on 3.5MHz (no other band)  it is difficult to tune and was 
>> wondering if someone could explain to me what is going on, and how I 
>> may cure the the problem ? So here goes, remember this is just on 
>> 3.5MHz (80 M)
>>
>> Prime mover is IC740
>>
>> I tune the Dentron with about 10w from the IC740 into a Dummy load. 
>> When I have peaked the linear, the SWR seen by the IC740 is around 
>> 1.8:1, as I increase the drive, the SWR seen by the IC740 goes up to 
>> as much as 5:1 or more, thereby reducing drive power. This slow 
>> cycling between lots of drive, but high SWR, then the IC740 reducing 
>> drive (to protect the finals) reduces the SWR, the power drops, and 
>> the whole thing starts again.
>>
>> I have got a small ATU installed between the Linear and the Radio,
>> but
>> this is not really curing the problem. My other HF radio (756ProII)
>> with its Auto ATU is a little better, but again it cycles.
>>
>> Both Prime movers get to about 25 - 30 watts of drive and the cycling 
>> starts. (Which means I only get about 250 - 300 watts out).
>>
>> I know the Dentron doesn't have a tuned input, hence the small ATU 
>> between it and the Prime mover.
>>
>> I guess the amp is going into some form of hysteresis ? Perhaps I am 
>> wrong, but some insight into whats happening would be good, and any 
>> suggestions as to how to fix this annoying action would be great.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Adrian MW1LCR
>> Wales
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