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Re: [Amps] SB-200 6 meter conversion

To: <n1miw@cox.net>, "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>, "bill price" <kingofbackswing@hotmail.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] SB-200 6 meter conversion
From: "Steve Katz" <stevek@jmr.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:39:19 -0700
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If Ig is really only 50-60mA, that seems very low, actually.  Should probably 
be ~100 mA when fully driven and fully loaded.  At least that would be more 
typical for a pair of 572Bs.
 
73
 
Steve WB2WIK/6

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From: Larry [mailto:n1miw@cox.net]
Sent: Sun 8/9/2009 11:29 AM
To: Steve Katz; 'Carl'; 'bill price'; amps@contesting.com
Subject: RE: [Amps] SB-200 6 meter conversion


Oops, my mistake. If you look at the SB-200 meter, my needle is on tthe 300Ma 
mark - approximately 50-60Ma grid current (half-way through the white line). 
Like I said last night - I was tired and it was late.
 
   I don't like to let the needle go beyond vertical even on my HF '200 in 
either position.  Larry N1MIW

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Steve Katz [mailto:stevek@jmr.com]
        Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 2:15 PM
        To: Carl; n1miw@cox.net; bill price; amps@contesting.com
        Subject: RE: [Amps] SB-200 6 meter conversion
        
        
        I suspect so also.  I don't think a pair of tubes would last long at 
300mA Ig!
         
         

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        From: Carl [mailto:km1h@jeremy.mv.com]
        Sent: Sun 8/9/2009 10:55 AM
        To: Steve Katz; n1miw@cox.net; bill price; amps@contesting.com
        Subject: Re: [Amps] SB-200 6 meter conversion
        
        
        Since the grid position is only 200ma FS and 100ma is considered max I 
suspect it is a classic case of not bothering to read the manual.
         
        Carl
        KM1H
         
         

                ----- Original Message ----- 
                From: Steve Katz <mailto:stevek@jmr.com>  
                To: n1miw@cox.net ; Carl <mailto:km1h@jeremy.mv.com>  ; bill 
price <mailto:kingofbackswing@hotmail.com>  ; amps@contesting.com 
                Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:59 PM
                Subject: RE: [Amps] SB-200 6 meter conversion

                300mA for a pair of 572Bs is a lot of grid current...I suspect 
the output doesn't look very clean, especially if you can do an IMD check 
(which requires a lot of stuff most don't have, but maybe you know somebody).
                 
                WB2WIK/6

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                From: amps-bounces@contesting.com on behalf of Larry
                Sent: Sun 8/9/2009 9:02 AM
                To: 'Carl'; 'bill price'; amps@contesting.com
                Subject: Re: [Amps] SB-200 6 meter conversion
                
                


                   I have had no issues with tuning my 572B tubes during 
testing, even with
                having the plates glowing bright red. Even though the tubes are 
not rated
                for 50MHz, how many other tubes are run outside their specs 
(HV,etc.) and
                work fine?
                
                   I would like to convert an SB-220 or 221 - if someone has a 
junker with a
                good transformer but soft tubes they're willing to give me, 
I'll take it.
                Other than that, I'll stick with the 200 because that's what I 
could afford.
                I can't justify to the wife spending $800.00 on a good  
amplifier that will
                be converted to a monobander and used only a couple of months 
throughout the
                year. $500.00 on a faulty one is pricey too...
                
                   I still may convert to the GI-7b, but this was a cheap 
experiment (zero
                dollars spent on the conversion) that seems to be going quite 
well, despite
                what all of the skeptics say. It's all part of my learning 
curve with
                amplifiers. If it blows up, so be it. I like fireworks! 73's, 
Larry N1MIW
                
                -----Original Message-----
                From: Carl [mailto:km1h@jeremy.mv.com]
                Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:50 AM
                To: bill price; n1miw@cox.net; amps@contesting.com
                Subject: Re: [Amps] SB-200 6 meter conversion
                
                
                The 572B works just fine on 6M at full ratings. This is been 
discussed many
                times on here and should no longer be an issue.
                
                Carl
                KM1H
                
                
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "bill price" <kingofbackswing@hotmail.com>
                To: <n1miw@cox.net>; <amps@contesting.com>
                Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:21 AM
                Subject: Re: [Amps] SB-200 6 meter conversion
                
                
                
                the 572b tube is not rated to operate on 6 meters, the sb220 
would be a
                better choice.
                 i have a sb200 with a gi7b tube that some one started to mod 
and gave up,
                this fall i will finish it. bill nj2s
                
                
                > From: n1miw@cox.net
                > To: Amps@contesting.com
                > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:34:18 -0400
                > Subject: [Amps] SB-200 6 meter conversion
                >
                > I just wanted to report that I have been almost successful at 
converting
                > my SB-200 with 572B's to 6 meters. I originally wanted to 
replace the tube
                > with a GI-7B (and still may do so), but decided that I should 
give it the
                > effort to at least try the 572's to "see what happens". I 
removed several
                > plates from the tune cap and at the moment, I have a jumper 
on the output
                > coil at the 1 turn mark - this coil looks like it "might" be 
original, but
                > not sure since this amp was previously modified for 
...ahem... 11 meters.
                > With 30 watts in, I'm seeing ~500 watts out on the bird. Not 
sure about
                > the
                > accuracy though because the slug I'm using is for 2-30MHz. I 
plan on
                > connecting up the amp to the digital wattmeter tomorrow to 
see how close I
                > actually am to the 500 watt mark - it's getting late. I'm 
also hoping the
                > signal is clean - I don't have an analyzer. Guess some 
on-the-air testing
                > is
                > needed during off-season.
                >
                > One quick question for you guys who are running modified 6 
meter amps -
                > does the amplifier draw more line current after the mod? I 
seem to have
                > allot of output for little input, and when I approach 70 
watts in, I run
                > the
                > risk of tripping the breaker in the house. I'm happy with the 
500 watts
                > (if
                > accurate), but wanted to hear someone else's experience.
                >
                > Oh, by the way - I didn't touch the suppressors on the 
anodes. They're
                > still 3 turns around a 47 Ohm Carbon Comp resistor. I have 
~300ma grid
                > current with ~500ma plate current at 500 watts output.
                >
                > 73's... Larry N1MIW
                >
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