I was referring to an IR gun for actual anode temp. Do it right after key up
as RF has a tendency to affect the gun.
You may be surprised at how cool the anodes are often run. Another thing to
look at is the color of the anode and the fins; if they are not discolored
you havent reach anywhere near the danger point yet.
Ive had many tubes of the 8874, 8122, 8877, 3CX800 variety, and others, come
thru here that are severely heat discolored yet are perfectly fine.
Carl
KM1H
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Blaine" <keepwalking188@yahoo.com>
To: "damon stewart" <wsmc551@gmail.com>
Cc: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>; "Al Kozakiewicz" <akozak@hourglass.com>;
<amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha vs Henry
Sorry Damon to confuse.
The exhaust temp is only good for determining how long it takes the
tube/exhaust to get up to a steady temp. The actual temp around the tube
cannot be easily deduced from this, as far as I can tell although I think it
should be in theory.
A decent but not perfect solution is measuring the anode temp with an IR gun
at the end of a run just prior to key up. And that will be much higher than
the exhaust temp.
73, Jeff ACØC
www.ac0c.com
From: damon stewart
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:41 PM
To: Jeff Blaine
Cc: Carl ; Al Kozakiewicz ; amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha vs Henry
You dont want the exhaust temp to get anywhere close to the seal temp!
By that point your seal temp is way past the limit. On an 8877 the seal
temp is rated at 250 deg C max (480 deg F). Id try to keep the exhaust
temp below 300 deg F.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Blaine <keepwalking188@yahoo.com>
wrote:
RTTY contest duty is the worst for the transformer - not for the tube.
The thermal mass of the transformer is huge and if it starts out with a
low temp the gradient will keep the innermost windings from
heating to max in RTTY service until you've been running for an hour or
so. And as the guys mentioned earlier, any air circulation
on the transformer (even really minimal levels) will have a huge impact on
the final temps the tx reaches.
If you want to whack the tube, a good 5 minute RTTY transmission is the
way to go. The tube heats up to it's max after maybe 15-30
seconds - just stick a probe and watch the exhaust temps stop rising at
some point the system is stable and if you have not pushed
pass the tube op temps (seal limited) then it's probably going to be fine.
73, Jeff ACØC
www.ac0c.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 7:44 PM
To: Al Kozakiewicz ; amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha vs Henry
Maybe time to see what the anode temperature is but Id think 1000W out
would
be fine.
Carl
KM1H
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Kozakiewicz" <akozak@hourglass.com>
To: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha vs Henry
> 1500 watts continuous for 30 minutes; 2500 for 30 seconds.
>
> Even if I do nothing but call CQ every 2 seconds, that's probably "only"
> about a 60% duty cycle. I'm just trying to get a feel for how much
> derating is prudent when using the thing for extended periods of time.
>
> 73
>
> Al
> AB2ZY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl [mailto:km1h@jeremy.mv.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 5:37 PM
> To: Al Kozakiewicz; amps@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha vs Henry
>
> What does Ameritron say?
>
> Carl
> KM1H
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al Kozakiewicz" <akozak@hourglass.com>
> To: <amps@contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 5:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha vs Henry
>
>
>> Can anyone tell me how much power an AL-1500 is rated to produce at a
>> 100%
>> duty cycle?
>>
>> During RTTY contests and outputting about 1000 watts, the tube side of
>> the
>> cabinet gets mighty warm. The power supply side seems cool - but then,
>> that's with the cover on. I don't know how hot is too hot and it would
>> be
>> useful to know at least how much continuous power the supply is rated
>> for.
>>
>> Tube cooling is probably another issue...
>>
>> Al
>> AB2ZY
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