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Re: [Amps] Can distilled water be used for a dummy load ??

To: "Roger" <sub1@rogerhalstead.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Can distilled water be used for a dummy load ??
From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:20:04 -0500
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Deionized water works fine for cooling big tubes so it shouldnt affect metal 
for a long time before needing replacement.

Carl
KM1H


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger" <sub1@rogerhalstead.com>
To: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Can distilled water be used for a dummy load ??


> On 11/29/2011 9:05 AM, Jim Thomson wrote:
>> My  hb 50 ohm dummy load  consists of  4 x 200 ohm globars in parallel 
>> [type SP, glass bodied
>> and suitable for oil immersion].   Each resistor is 1" diam x 12"  long. 
>> [275 W CCS in air]
>>   Each resistor  resides inside it's own  2.875" OD x sched 40  Aluminum 
>> tube.
>>   All 4 x thick walled  AL tubes are heliarc welded.
>
> I'd try it and see. As long as it's either distilled or Deionized it
> should work. As this is a new system you have not used with oil, you
> don't have to worry about cleaning it.   I'd check it with and analyzer
> and with no fluid, then add water and check again to see how it
> changed.  If it changes for the worse then I'd try the mineral oil.
>
> Yes, water is about the best thing going for heat transfer (calories per
> unit weight) at atmospheric pressure.  Oil, although not as good is
> probably good enough.
>
> Water may need to be changed maybe once a year.  DI is ion hungry so I
> don't know how it'd work with the solder joints or metal in the circuit.
> Tap water?  It definitely will lower the resistance of the dummy load.
> Whether it will adversely affect the SWR, only a test will show.
>
> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>
>>
>> I heard some place that instead of xfmr oil, that  distilled water can be 
>> used instead?
>> The same glass bodied type SP  resistors, [50 ohm, high wattage]  are 
>> used in  water cooled loads,
>> the type that  has the garden hose on one end, etc.
>>
>> Seems to me that distilled water will conduct heat a lot better than xfmr 
>> oil.  The question is,
>> will the use of distilled water in a 7 gallon metal container, with 
>> resistors immersed present any
>> swr problems ?    If I remember correctly, swr was high on heath cantenna 
>> loads  if no oil used at all,
>> and dropped to dead flat once the oil was poured in.   There was also a 
>> similar 50 ohm load in the
>> old arrl books, same resistor as I'm using but it was a single 50 ohm 
>> unit, and not 4 x 200 ohms in parallel.
>>
>> I would prefer not to use xfmr oil if at all possible.   It's a little 
>> tougher to get a hold of these days..and not cheap.
>> My main concern however is something leaks. Water on the concrete floor 
>> in the shop is one thing, but 7 x
>> gals of xfmr oil is a disaster.  Can you add  rust inhibitor's  or 
>> glycol to the distilled water ??
>> Do I even  have to use distilled water, or will  clean tap water work ?
>>
>> A 50/50  mix of water/glycol will result in a 265 deg F  boiling 
>> point..BUT the heat transfer is no
>> where as good.   I'm using a new 7 x gal paint can for this project, the 
>> 4 x resistors and the welded AL
>> tube assy, hang from the top lid.
>>
>> Thanks... Jim   VE7RF
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