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Re: [Amps] 432 MHz stripline

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Subject: Re: [Amps] 432 MHz stripline
From: Paul Decker <kg7hf@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:14:39 +0000 (UTC)
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Hi Gerald,

You've hit the nail on the head on why I asked the question.  Every time I took 
the stripline cover off and put it back on I got different results.  In fact, I 
have a suspician the original designer used the cooling chimney as part of the 
tuning circuit becuase it is half metal and sticks down from the top by about 
1/2 inch.  I suppose he moved that up and down to get a good match, then brazed 
it in place.

I do have a signal generator and return loss meter that is accurate up to 1 Ghz 
so this is what I was attempting to use..  Thanks for the tips, I'll give it 
another stab (now that it's easy to switch between the two tubes.)

thanks,
Paul


----- Original Message -----
From: TexasRF@aol.com
To: david kirkby <david.kirkby@onetel.net>, kg7hf@comcast.net
Cc: amps@contesting.com
Sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:08:10 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Amps] 432 MHz stripline




Hi All, not to be discouraging, but, using a GDO at UHF is going to be an 

exercise in frustration.
 
When the cavity cover is removed, the frequency of the resonator will 

change drastically and have no relationship with the actual cavity 

frequency.
 
There are other methods of finding the frequency with covers in place but 

they all need to be tunable over a wide enough frequency range to find the 

resonant frequency.
 
The driver and a vswr meter can do that with the amplifier cold by 

connecting the drive power through a vswr meter to the amplifier output while 

cold. Then the frequency of the driver is changed looking for a small dip in 

vswr. There are enough losses in a uhf amplifier for a small indication of 
lower 

vswr as the losses absorb a small amount of power at the resonant 

frequency.
 
This is an extremely crude way to find the resonant frequency. Many times 

just knowing if resonance is too high or too low is enough to begin 

progressively moving the resonance toward the frequency of interest.
 
Another method is using a signal generator and return loss bridge. This 

works in the same way as using exciter power, just at a lower and safer power 

level.
 
Adding the resistor to simulate the plate load impedance will make the dip 

in vswr or return loss much deeper and noticeable. But, the resistor leads will 

add inductance and lower the cavity frequency. This can be mitigated a lot by 

use of several parallel resistors with the minimum possible lead lengths.
 
Then the third method is to simply tune the exciter frequency while 

watching for an improvement in power output. Many transceivers will cover the 

430 to 450 MHz range and that could be enough to "find" resonance.
 
73,
Gerald K5GW
 
 
 
 

In a message dated 1/23/2012 8:46:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, 

david.kirkby@onetel.net writes:
On 24 

  January 2012 02:30, Paul Decker <kg7hf@comcast.net> wrote:

> 

  Hi gang,
> A few weeks ago I asked the group about modification to my 

  8874 stripline
> 432 MHz amplifier to replace it with a 

  3cx800.
>
> Well I made the modifications and extended just the 

  very back portion of
> the stirpline.  I couldn't get the amplifier 

  to tune up.  Grid and plate
> current were well within spec, but i 

  would not output much more than 50
> watts.
>
> It was 

  mentioned to use a gdo or antenna analyzer to tune the 

  stripline.
>  I'm wondering what the procedure for that might 

  be?  How would I couple
> the gdo or antenna analyzer to the 

  stripline?  With or without the tube
> installed?  Power 

  on/off?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
> kg7hf
>

1) 

  Install the tube.
2) Have the power off
3) Put the GDO near the 

  stripline and find the dip.
4) Gradually move the GDO further from the 

  stripline. The dip will get
weaker as the GDO is couples less strongly to 

  the anode line. But the
frequency of the dip will be more accurate, as the 

  anode line wont effect
the measurement as much. You want to have the 

  coupling as weak as possible,
although it must not be so weak that you 

  can't find the position of the
dip.


There might be some 

  advantage in putting a resistor between the chassis and
the anode of the 

  tube, equal to the load impedance of the tube I must admit
I've never done 

  that, and managed to get the above procedure to work,
though I think there 

  might possibly be some advantage in this, as it more
closely represents the 

  running conditions of the amp.

Dave, 

  G8WRB
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