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[Amps] More Capacitors vs LC filters

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Subject: [Amps] More Capacitors vs LC filters
From: "John Lyles" <jtml@losalamos.com>
Reply-to: jtml@vla.com
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:47:07 -0600
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One more thing about big oil-filled capacitors: When the voltage gets above 
about 10-12 kV, manufacturers build their capacitors with series capacitor 
packs. Each one is wound paper or film with foil, connected by a jumper wire or 
strip. 
If you figure a 45 kV cap is made out of 3 series-connected 15 kV assemblies, 
and the total cap is, say 5 uF, then each cap must be 15 uF internally. All is 
fine and good until one of those packs shorts out. Lets say you are operating 
at 30 kV for convenience and this happens. 
Now you have two capacitors, of 15 uF each, operating at 15 kV each (approx), 
very close to their death zone. Doing the calculation, the original 5 uF 
capacitor could store up to 4 kJ at 40kV (1.3 kJ per internal cap), close as 
you would dare run to ratings. But is is derated to operating at 
2.25 KJ. Now, in the failure mode, which is, by the way, realistic, in a pulsed 
system over time,  it is operating with two assemblies and the total stored 
energy went up to 3.37 KJ. This is part of the problem that will cause a 4 KJ 
capacitor to 'rupture' and expel oil and flames, in addition to slitting metal 
case. 
I don't know how those big 'Lytics are made, the 3900 uF 450 VDC jobbies, but 
if there is are any multiple-connected caps inside, then failure scenarios like 
this warrant being thought about. 
John
K5PRO





> ### �with 7700 vdc no load and �24 x 3900uf caps in series, total energy 
> is �4817 joules. �4817 joules divided by 24 caps =
> 200 joules PER cap. ���There is one heck of a big difference between a 
> lytic with 200 joules stored in it ..vs �the 4000 joules
> stored in one of John?s big oil caps. ��The ESR �on the big 4000J oil 
> cap is �zilch �vs the individual lytic. ��The massive 
> explosions �just don?t happen with these high C series strings of lytics. 
> �You still have to be careful though. 
> later... Jim �VE7RF

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