Amps
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [Amps] looking for assistance with MLA-2500 tank circuit rework

To: <rees.a@btconnect.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] looking for assistance with MLA-2500 tank circuit rework
From: "Chris Miller" <c_miller_1@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:07:13 -0500
List-post: <amps@contesting.com">mailto:amps@contesting.com>
Pretty sure I have it. I pulled as much info on the various conversions to see what the history of the changes were. Mainly was looking for any significant differences to see if maybe there was a preferred method. The actual conversion has already been completed by the previous owner.

The tank circuit originally seemed to progressively get worse and worse as you went down in frequency, for load capacitance being too small, until you got to 40m - 160m, at which point you reached full mesh. It was not way way off though, as there was some peaking of power output just not enough to actually reach the resonance point. Pretty well the same behavior I have now except I managed to make it happen on all bands. Oddly enough, when it is swept with the VNA it looks ok.

After staring at the spec sheets for the tubes again, I tried to change the value of the tube resonance load resistance during sweep tests to 1350 ohms, if my thinking is right two tubes in parallel, to see if it would produce the same operation I was seeing during my dummy load tests. It actually had the opposite effect. Most bands had way too much load capacitance for resonance. Fully reinstalling the covers with screws rather than just placing them in place had little effect on the sweep tests.

Another user of this old gear reported that, both modified and not, these amps were shy on capacitance and that extra capacitance had to be added for 80 and 160. I am beginning to think that the values of the RF caps are pulling under power, but I would have expected the pull to change with the level of power. It is more likely though I am not understanding the interpretation of the spec sheet completely.

I was reminded that the 3cx800 is twice as capable as the original tube, even more when you read the fine print on the 8875. The 8875 shows a duty cycle on some of the values of 50% so there is less power available for modes like RTTY etc. I am going to try, for curiosity sake, to see if it will run with just one tube. Thinking is, if the values work for one tube I end up with a spare. The downside is I throw away headroom.

Chris
VE3CEA


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Adrian Rees" <rees.a@btconnect.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 3:39 PM
To: "Chris Miller" <c_miller_1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] looking for assistance with MLA-2500 tank circuit rework

Hi Chris

Have you got a copy of the Svetlana document about retro fitting 3CX800's to the MLA2500 ? I have a copy kicking around (in PDF format) if you havn't got it. Also note that some guys have also swapped in 8877's in place of 8875's. Identical in every way, except for cooling requirements. 8877's are still available cheaply.

Additionally a chap down Florida way has done the same conversion, successfully I understand. If you can't find him (I suppose a Google search would yield the info), I can dig out his email address. He did subscribe to the Amps forum at one time, but left a while back.

I was in correspondence with him regarding my 2500, although that was Power supply related.

My 2500 also had a problem with the door knob capacitors in the tank circuit, going open circuit. Difficult to spot, but caused by Fan vibration over the years, opening the tabs & also dry joints.

Cheers

Adrian MW1LCR / GW9X



On 29/12/2012 03:49, Chris Miller wrote:
Hi to all,

I have taken on a project that has been bugging me for a bit.  I have a
MLA2500 that I picked up that has been retrofitted with a pair of 3cx800
intending to have a transportable amp.  From what I have read the tubes
are supposed to be a close match for the original tubes, as far as tube
specs go.  However, I have found that the amp on 160 through 40 has to
have the load control set to 1 to get close to load on power.  20
through 10 appeared to work o.k.

I decided to sweep the tank through the antenna, with a 2.7k ohm
resistor in place on the anode to simulate tube load and found that
resonances appeared off on lower bands.  Figuring I had a good handle on
the process, I prototyped up a new tank coil to make mistakes on.  I
then playing with tap points and turns until I achieved what looked like
a good set of patterns for each band, for the range of tuning.

When I attempted to test my results, on dummy load conditions, all bands
are now showing insufficient capacitance for load on all bands with a
little bit of range at near max capacity on 10 near the upper end of the
band.

Since that seemed to be an epic failure, I must be missing steps in the
process.  Is there something I should be watching for or doing so that
what I see as tank resonance actually lands where it should on real
world testing?  Am I now at the point where I have to do some trial
additions of capacitance to the load control?  Is this amp worth the
effort to make it work properly (realizing it is a bit of a sardine can
in there)?  Has anyone else done the retrofit on these amps to the
3cx800 tubes, like this amp has, and did the amp still resonate as the
original tubes did?

Thanks for any help

Chris VE3CEA


_______________________________________________
Amps mailing list
Amps@contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps




_______________________________________________
Amps mailing list
Amps@contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>