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Re: [Amps] Direct rectification of AC mains to drive the amp, VDD, Suppl

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Direct rectification of AC mains to drive the amp, VDD, Supply
From: Manfred Mornhinweg <manfred@ludens.cl>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 17:36:14 +0000
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Bill,

There is a better way if you have a dual-channel scope. Use both
channels in ADD mode and set one of them to INVERT and DO NOT connect
the probe ground to anything. That way both probes are "floating" and
either one can be used for hot, ground or anything else.

Yes, that's a valid technique, but it has important limits. One is the voltage rating of the probes, another is that of the scope inputs, and a very important one is the headroom of the vertical amplifiers. If you will be using two 100:1 probes rated for 1kV, to measure the drain waveform of a line-connected amplifier, that should be fine. But if you want to measure the gate waveform, which is only a few volts, these few differential volts are mounted atop several hundred volts of common mode voltage into each scope channel. If you set the scope to a gain that allows you to see the few RF volts with a reasonable height on the display, most likely the vertical amplifier stages that are before the summing point will totally saturate from the high common mode voltage, and you will see nothing more than a blurry mess, if anything at all.

So, it's a technique one should be aware of, but it's not usable in all cases. You would still need some of the other techniques, to measure the smaller signals in such an amplifier.

A good technique is to use a small, but well insulated RF transformer between the scope probe and the circuit. It can be wound on a small ferrite toroid. It needs a series coupling capacitor, and for higher voltages it also needs a voltage divider in front of it. It all can be built into a special, homemade, galvanically insulated, magnetically coupled RF scope probe. This won't let you see DC, of course, but it shows you the RF signal nicely. The DC component can be measured separately with a common plain multimeter. Almost all present-day multimeters are rated for direct use at line voltage, at least on home circuits.

Anyway most people I know just float the scope and connect it directly to the circuit under test, trying to remember to unplug the device under test before touching the scope! We even did that at the job. If somebody forgets to unplug, the GFI will come down as soon as the scope is touched, forcing a trip to the electrical panel to switch it back on. GFIs are fast enough that the shock is barely noticeable. I know from experience, because I am somewhat forgetful, and on my past job I often had to service high power motor controllers that were directly line connected. The funny thing is that the panel was down the corridor, past another 6 office doors that usually were open, and my colleagues knew why I was trotting down to the panel making a sheepish face!

Manfred

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