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Re: [Amps] Tube swap - 211

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Tube swap - 211
From: peter chadwick <g8on@fsmail.net>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:57:45 +0100
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The BC375 which used a 211 oscillator driving a 211 PA, modulated by a pair of 
211s, had a parasitic suppressor in the oscillator grid, but no suppressor in 
the plate, and the PA had none at all.

73

Peter G3RZP 


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 Message Received: Jan 30 2014, 04:27 PM
 From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
 To: "Fuqua, Bill L" <wlfuqu00@uky.edu>, "Vic Rosenthal K2VCO" 
<k2vco.vic@gmail.com>, amps@contesting.com
 Cc: 
 Subject: Re: [Amps] Tube swap
 
 While the 211 is rated at full power to only 15 mc they were used 
 industrially in pulse service at 50 mc according to Tube Lore.
 I would expect the parasitic to be below that frequency or it was actually 
 used (-;
 
 Carl
 KM1H
 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: "Fuqua, Bill L" <wlfuqu00@uky.edu>
 To: "Vic Rosenthal K2VCO" <k2vco.vic@gmail.com>; <amps@contesting.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Amps] Tube swap
 
 
 >  Use a pair of 211 tube and you will not need a parasitic suppressor.
 > 73
 > Bill wa4alv
 >
 > ________________________________________
 > From: Amps [amps-bounces@contesting.com] on behalf of Vic Rosenthal K2VCO 
 > [k2vco.vic@gmail.com]
 > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:32 PM
 > To: amps@contesting.com
 > Subject: Re: [Amps] Tube swap
 >
 > The AADE meter cannot measure the stray inductance of a resistor. From
 > the instruction manual: "Inductors must have a reasonable Q for their
 > value and negligible distributed capacitance for their value." A
 > resistor has very low Q!
 >
 > It also has trouble with large tubing coils due to the distributed
 > capacitance. And it is not good for toroids on cores where the
 > permeability varies with frequency.
 >
 > Given those limitations, the AADE meter can be very useful.
 >
 > On 1/29/2014 6:01 PM, William Turner wrote:
 >> Please keep in mind two things:
 >>
 >> 1. The AADE meter measures inductance at a very low frequency. At VHF
 >> the inductance can be considerably different due to distributed
 >> capacitance between windings. The best tool is an impedance analyzer
 >> which applies the actual VHF frequency and costs about $10k. I don't
 >> have one either. It was that or a house.  :-)
 >>
 >> 2.  There is no such thing as "non-inductive". Even a short straight
 >> piece of wire has inductance. If someone tells you a resistor is
 >> non-inductive, they are prevaricating.
 >>
 >> 73, Bill W6WRT
 >>
 >>
 >> ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------
 >>
 >> On 1/29/2014 5:31 PM, Bryan Swadener wrote:
 >>> I measured new Ohmite pn OY470KE (47ohm/2W) resistors at 1.6uH
 >>> inductance.
 >>> The instrument used was a new factory-assembled and calibrated
 >>> "Almost All Digital Electronics" L-C Meter (http://www.aade.com/).
 >>> According
 >>> to the manufacturer, it compares closely to several high-end L/C/R
 >>> instruments.  I verified mine, compared to a few other pieces of HP
 >>> gear that
 >>> I trust.
 >>> Before making any measurements, I first nulled the internal inductance
 >>> with the terminals shorted, using a 1" length of 14ga wire (about 17nH).
 >>> A NOS Allen-Bradley 47 ohm/2W carbon composition resistor then
 >>> measured 20nH, and a 3-1/2 turn 14ga parasitic suppressor inductor
 >>> (Heathkit SB-220) measured 80nH. The OY "resistor" measured 1.58uH.
 >>> The datasheet for the Ohmite OX/OY resistors
 >>> (http://www.ohmite.com/cat/res_ox_oy.pdf) says only:
 >>>
 >>> "The OX/OY resistors can often replace carbon composition resistors
 >>> which can be difficult to source."
 >>>
 >>> They make NO claim that they are without inductance.  In fact,
 >>> nowhere in the datasheet is the word "inductance" or "reactance"
 >>> used, or inferred.
 >>> eBay seller "bigsmythe74" always seems to have
 >>> A-B Carbon Composition resistors available for reasonable prices.
 >>> I have no connection with him other than as a customer.
 >>> vy 73,
 >>> Bryan WA7PRC
 >
 > --
 > 73,
 > Vic, K2VCO
 > Fresno CA
 > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
 >
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