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Re: [Amps] Need Zener for 2KD-3

To: jim.thom@telus.net, amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Need Zener for 2KD-3
From: Gerald Williamson via Amps <amps@contesting.com>
Reply-to: TexasRF@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 13:21:01 -0500
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Hi All, in a homebrew amplifier with a grounded grid, one can eliminate  
most of the heat in the bias circuit by putting the bias between the cathode 
and  ground. In this case the B- connects directly to the cathode.
 
An emitter follower circuit or power zener can be connected from B- to  
ground. A positive forward ("keep alive") bias should be applied to the B- so  
that there is a small current flow through the circuit during standby. 
 
The only current through the circuit is grid current and the small "keep  
alive" current. The transmit/receive circuit can be arranged to increase the  
bias voltage during receive to cut the tube off. Unlike cathode bias, the 
tube  can be completely cutoff in standby compared to nearly cutoff in 
conventional  circuits.
 
If an emitter follower is used it is easy to add an adjustable bias pot to  
allow precise idling current setting.
 
A PNP power transistor can be used with the collector connected directly to 
 ground for d.c. and heat sinking. The transistor needs to have a voltage 
rating  greater than the standby cut off voltage.
 
I have used this arrangement for several years on 1296MHz tetrode amplifier 
 with no issues. This amplifier is wired to remove screen voltage in 
standby so  normal operating grid bias is more than enough to cut the tube off 
in 
standby.  It would be easy enough to arrange for cut off grid bias instead.
 
73,
Gerald K5GW
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/3/2015 8:39:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jim.thom@telus.net writes:

Date:  Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:36:23 +0000
From: Manfred Mornhinweg  <manfred@ludens.cl>
To: amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps]  Need Zener for 2KD-3


This solution has a more stable voltage than a  series string of diodes, 
uses 
fewer components, and doesn't need any extra  support, because the two 
small 
parts are simply soldered to the  transistor, which is bolted to the 
chassis or a 
heat sink. It's also  suited to replace higher voltage zeners, which is 
impractical using diode  strings.

Manfred

##  Your small zerner + transistor will  work, I have used it myself. 
A string of diodes like 1N5408 or 6A10   will also work, and are bomb
proof.   High power 50 watt zeners  are a pita..and run too hot imo. 
Come glitch time, hiccup time etc, etc,  they will fail shorted on you.

##  A 6A10 is rated for 6A   CCS, and a 400A surge.    Nobody ever blew 
a string of 6A10s out  , when used for GG bias service.   The V regulation
is   plenty good enough.   Put a 10,000+ uf cap across the entire string,  
and it wont
budge.   If u have an application where you  require  say 30-40 volts of 
bias, and 
cathode currents of 3-4 amps, a  string of 6A10s works just fine.   Cathode 
current
of course  being the sum of plate + grid current.  30+ volts with 2+ amps 
of  cathode
current will cook a small zener + pnp transistor setup.  You  would require 
a big heatsink  to 
dump the 60-160 watts of heat.  Strings of diodes don’t require a heatsink. 
 

##  If u really  want to go over board, you can also parallel 6A10s..and 
the current  always
divides 50-50 or  49-51 in the worse case.   You also  end up with an 800A  
surge rating.  

##  henry radio  used strings of diodes, encased  in a block, sorta like a 
k2aw rectifier  block,
for bias on both their 3k ultra and also 8k ultra. 

## For  whatever reason, when high power zeners are wired in series, the V  
regulation
is not good. 

##  For low current, low bias voltage  schemes, the small zener + pnp / npn 
 work just fine.  

Jim   VE7RF  

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