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Re: [Amps] Blower noise

To: Manfred Mornhinweg <manfred@ludens.cl>, "amps@contesting.com" <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Blower noise
From: Steven Katz <stevek@jmr.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:23:26 +0000
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I can't make your noise go away and have no great suggestions re that.

However, 12Vdc brushless motors usually have an inverter inside them, so 
they're really AC motors (higher frequency) operated from a DC source; as such 
slowing them down is best done by PWM  rather than just a series resistance.   
Most of the 12Vdc blowers I've tried just stop running altogether at 7-8Vdc, 
and using a series resistance to reduce the applied voltage at levels before 
they stop operating doesn't really slow them down.

-WB2WIK

-----Original Message-----
From: Amps [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Manfred Mornhinweg
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:13 AM
To: amps@contesting.com
Subject: [Amps] Blower noise


Does anyone have a good idea for reducing blower noise?

I end up rarely using my NCL-2000 amplifier, because the blower noise is so 
disturbing! I measured it now. The intensity is 52dBA, measured at 1 meter 
distance, which happens to be roughly the distance between the amp and my ears 
during operation. I also measured the spectrum of the noise: Averaged over 
several seconds, it's a clean pink noise caused by the airflow, plus strong 
50Hz line frequency hum, plus a strong peak at 907Hz. What one hears is mostly 
this 907Hz whine, which is unstable in amplitude. It's probably caused by air 
turbulence around the impeller blades, as the frequency seems to be the number 
of blades multiplied by the rotation speed.

I removed the blower from the amplifier. Running it outside, while holding it 
in my hand, the noise is quite acceptable. It's more wind noise than anything. 
The whine isn't present, nor is the 50Hz hum. The whine appears when I restrict 
the air flow with my hand over the outlet. At a certain level of restriction, 
the impeller slows down, and the whine appears. If I restrict the air flow 
further,
  the whine disappears again.

For all I can see and hear and feel, the whine comes strictly from air 
turbulence, not from any motor vibration due to worn bearings, or anything like 
that. The whine has a somewhat ringing sound. It might be that the impeller has 
a bell resonance at that frequency.

The bearings feel smooth and good, the only play is in the axial sense.

The line-frequency hum becomes audible, and even loud, as soon as I touch the 
blower to the desk. It's obviously motor vibration that gets audible only when 
coupled to a radiator large enough for that frequency.

Since the blower fits tightly in the amp, I don't see how I could install any 
damping to keep the hum from coupling to the amp's structure. Anyway the most 
disturbing sound is that variable whine, and that seems caused by turbulence 
happening when the blower runs with just the amount of back pressure the tubes 
happen to put on it. I don't think I can change that, at least not without 
losing too much air flow!

Does anybody have any good idea? If not, I will buy a modern Chinese plastic 
blower on eBay. There are some in the right size, that can amply provide the 
needed airflow and pressure, and they cost 10 bucks, shipping included. They 
are 12V-powered, so it would be necessary to add small power supply. It could 
go in the same are where the original AC motor goes, as the Chinese blowers 
have their motor built into the center area of the impeller.

The main problem is that these modern blowers are all mirror-views of the 
NCL-2000's blower! They have the outlet on the wrong side. That will require 
quite some hacking. And of course I have no idea whether these are free from 
the whining noise! Their noise spec is roughly the same as that of the original 
blower, but that doesn't tell much about actual behavior when installed, or 
about how disturbing a noise it produces.

The good thing with 12V DC blowers is that it's easy to slow them down. I would 
make a switch to run it at high speed during TX, and low speed during RX. With 
the stock blower I can't do that easily, because it has an induction motor that 
develops very little torque when running below its near-synchronous speed. So I 
can't make it run at a low, but sufficiently stable speed, by adding series 
resistance. It either runs at full speed, or it tends to nearly stop. And I 
don't feel like building a variable frequency drive circuit for it...

As you see, I'm in writing mood today. Sorry for that! :-)

Manfred
XQ6FOD


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