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Re: [Antennaware] Small Tribander or SteppIR 2-element?

To: RLVZ@aol.com, Terry Conboy <n6ry@arrl.net>
Subject: Re: [Antennaware] Small Tribander or SteppIR 2-element?
From: John Geiger <aa5jg@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:05:37 -0700 (PDT)
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That sounds about right as Mosley claims a gain of 4.5DBd for their TA32 which 
has a boom length of 6 feet but it uses a reflector instead of a director.

Is there a reason why 2 element yagis that are commercially made use a 
reflector instead of a director?  I seem to remember from the ARRL antenna book 
that you can get slight more gain from a director. Also, the windloading would 
be slightly less with a director, as would the cost of materials since the 
director is shorter than the reflector?

73s John AA5JG

--- On Wed, 9/23/09, Terry Conboy <n6ry@arrl.net> wrote:

> From: Terry Conboy <n6ry@arrl.net>
> Subject: Re: [Antennaware] Small Tribander or SteppIR 2-element?
> To: RLVZ@aol.com
> Cc: antennaware@contesting.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 2:44 PM
> I created a model of a 2-el yagi on
> 20m with 6' spacing and the gain in 
> free space is 6.71 dBi (4.56 dBd).  F/B is 17
> dB.  This is with the 
> parasitic element tuned as a director.  The feed Z is
> 22 ohms, which the 
> SteppIR transformer matches to 50 ohms.  The 2:1
> bandwidth is about 240 
> kHz, but that's not an issue with the SteppIR, of
> course.  I assumed 
> 0.35" diameter copper elements, which are only down 0.06 dB
> from 
> lossless conductors, so the efficiency is pretty good
> (98.6%).
> 
> Increasing the spacing to 12 feet gives max gain with a
> parasitic 
> reflector.  The gain is 6.82 dBi (4.67 dBd) but the
> F/B is only 6 dB.  
> Feed Z is 35 ohms (a good candidate for a hairpin match to
> 50 ohms) and 
> the 2:1 bandwidth is 410 kHz.  Using lossless elements
> increase the gain 
> by 0.05 dB, so the efficiency is 98.8%.
> 
> It appears the SteppIR 2-el is a good compromise on 20m for
> limited 
> space, other than cost.
> 
> 73, Terry N6RY
> 
> On 2009-09-22 12:31 PM, RLVZ@aol.com wrote:
> > I had great results with a SteppIR 3-element up 60'
> when  the antenna 
> > worked as designed.  Unfortunately, the
> Controller was bad  upon arrival, and 
> > then an 80mph windstorm blew two fibreglass elements
> off the  antenna which 
> > then allowed water into a Stepper motor and it
> went  bad!
>
> > Perhaps I'm a glutton for punishment but I'm
> seriously  considering a 
> > 2-element SteppIR at a temporary QTH in the Midwest as
> the  3-element SteppIR 
> > turning radius may not clear the trees. 
> Question: isn't  the short 6' boom on 
> > the 2-element SteppIR too short for good  results
> on 20-meters?  I am not 
> > familiar with using  modeling programs and don't
> have the time to learn so I'd 
> > appreciate your  thoughts on this.
>
> > A 3-element tribander will work at this temporary site
> as it  has about the 
> > same turning radius as a 2-element SteppIR... and a
> Tribander  like the 
> > Hy-Gains TH3 might perform as well or even better
> better on 20-m.  (on the 
> > portion of the band that it is tuned for) as it has
> a  little longer spacing 
> > between driven element and the reflector. 
> Of  course the Tribander would be 
> > alot cheaper too.
>
> > What's your thoughts on the efficiency of a 6' boom
> length for  a 2-element 
> > 20-m. yagi?
>
> > 73,
> > Dick- K9OM
> >
> >   
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