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Subject: ARRL 10 Meter Contest
From: MCONATOR@SFOVMIC6.VNET.IBM.COM (MCONATOR@SFOVMIC6.VNET.IBM.COM)
Date: Thu Dec 9 18:55:17 1993
Just a reminder, the 10 Meter contest is this weekend, beginning at 0000Z
Saturday and lasting 48 hours. In this contest, US can work US, so don't
hesitate to get on and active just because 10 has not afforded much DX
lately. There will be folks from all over looking for any and every QSO
on both modes. It is often surprising what some extra activity can do
for "apparent conditions". There has been increasing evidence over the last
few years that there may be many more openings on high bands like 10 and 6
Meters than was previously believed. Activity is the key to exploiting these
openings! Yes, this is a somewhat self-serving notice, but if you get on,
you'll have fun too, and probably help out several of us 10 Meter headbangers.

I look forward to working you on 10 this weekend from W7RM in SW Washington.
73, Mike
Michael R. Conatore
(503) 294-6769
mconator@sfovmic6.vnet.ibm.com
IBM Oregon Trading Area
1211 S. W. Fifth Avenue Suite 1000  Portland, Oregon 97204
IBMMAIL USIBM5CZ
A.R.S. AA7NX

>From Ward Silver <hwardsil@seattleu.edu>  Fri Dec 10 04:10:01 1993
From: Ward Silver <hwardsil@seattleu.edu> (Ward Silver)
Subject: CQWW M/S Rules
Message-ID: <Pine.3.03.9312092057.A31866-8100000@sumax.seattleu.edu>

Re: N2IC's last statement...how can the run and mult station be totally
independent.  One output signal at a time would seem to link them pretty
tightly.  I probably misunderstood the point.
Ward, N0AX



>From XMSJ29A@prodigy.com (MR JAMES A WHITE)  Fri Dec 10 04:21:14 1993
From: XMSJ29A@prodigy.com (MR JAMES A WHITE) (MR JAMES A WHITE)
Subject: WW multi-single rules
Message-ID: <025.00120250.XMSJ29A@prodigy.com>

The multisingle category which was initially two guys sharing one rx/tx
grew into any number of guys with spotting aids sharing any number of rigs
during the 70s/80s...whilst it was not quite what the original view of the
category was, it was something guys liked to do/did/and hence was a good
thing for the contest...bottom line always is:  the more hams are active,
the more successful the contest!

With a lot of guys QRV to TX (it ain't the olde one bug on the table !) the
opportunity for actually being a multi-multi exists...how can you discern
the two? Number of signals on the air at any one time must be one! It is
the only way...the wishy washy rubbery clock that says you were already on
that new band for 9 minutes or 8 minutes or 7 minutes or...just won't work.
And due to K5RC and K5LZO among others, an octopus is a workable
device-but-crosses the semi visable line of what the rules intend as to
simultaneous occupancy of two bands.

How can you possibly enforce what is going on as far as receive? Never can
it be done (maybe our interfaced pentiums will have all those details in CT
Version 42.1, but)...our only enforcable ablity to see what someone did is
from the other end-hence the only way to enforce-hence the only way to
create the rule is: work it backwards from provable information.

More than one Multi-single log has been "crunched" after a contest so that
the 10 minute rule "fits" the log...actually so the submitted log fits the
rule in the end...but is it ethically right?

NO.

 Life is full of situations where one knows what is right, professes to do
what is right...but...sometimes does that which he knows he can get away
with...got any kids?

We all know whats been goin down, and I hope most of us do not go into the
contest looking to bend the rules frequently, though some know they can use
the inability of the checkers to know what really went down when they
"have" to. "After all, thats what WB3XYZ does throughout the entire
contest, right?" "I just needed to fit the 3B8 mult on 20 into my log
without losing 5T5 on 15."

Are you doing something wrong because you can get away with it?

Well, if the only thing that can be enforced is the presence of a signal
when a QSO is made, why shouldn't I guide myself by that? Maybe because you
KNOW that was not the intention of the contest's founders. Sound corny?
Think of how you feel when you win without guilt...and how you feel when
you know you might get caught for something you did last Winter and you
wait for the magazine to come...will your call be in the little box OR in
the little print at the end. Oh yeah, remember about that if you walk the
hospitality suites at Stouffers and you hear the whispers after you walk
past a group of contesters.

Some of this may seem like poop. I hope not, though...I love winning, but I
am not going to settle for anything less than the full rush because I
compromised my entry in any way...be it rubber clocking, running smoke, or
fudging my log...its just too much fun winning without it! Win because you
did the most the best.

73-Seasons Greetings to all fellow contesters.  Jim K1ZX


>From Tim Totten <kj4vh@coplex.com>  Fri Dec 10 04:39:38 1993
From: Tim Totten <kj4vh@coplex.com> (Tim Totten)
Subject: CQWW M/S Rules
Message-ID: <Pine.3.88.9312092326.D19219-0100000@coplex>

On Thu, 9 Dec 1993, Ward Silver wrote:

> Re: N2IC's last statement...how can the run and mult station be totally
> independent.  One output signal at a time would seem to link them pretty
> tightly.  I probably misunderstood the point.
> Ward, N0AX

Hi Ward!
 
I think maybe you're confusing ARRL multi-one with CQ WW multi-single.  
They are quite different animals.  I have always shared N2IC's and K5ZD's 
interpretations for CQ WW M/S, and I think they are within both the 
spirit and the letter of the rules.  In CQ WW, you are NOT limited to one 
output signal at a time.  While the run station is working away, 
hopefully at a frantic pace, you are perfectly free to call and work any 
new mults on a second band.

In reality, "multi-opertor, single transmitter" is a terrible 
misnomer--there's no way to do it competitively with less than two 
transmitters operating simultaneously!  I would be interested to hear from
some OTs, but I suspect they might have kept the name from previous years 
when the rule was different.
 
Anyway, I've done several M/S efforts in CQ WW, and I REALLY enjoy that 
category just the way it is.  I would be opposed to any move to restrict 
it to just one transmitted signal. 

73, Tim

--------------------------------------------------
  Tim Totten, KJ4VH     Home tel +1-502-239-6486  
  kj4vh@coplex.com      Home fax +1-502-239-7766  
              Kentucky Contest Group


>From Scott A Stembaugh <n9ljx@ecn.purdue.edu>  Fri Dec 10 06:46:06 1993
From: Scott A Stembaugh <n9ljx@ecn.purdue.edu> (Scott A Stembaugh)
Subject: Multi-Single
Message-ID: <9312100646.AA08429@en.ecn.purdue.edu>


        One area that has not been touched in this disussion is the
        possibility of (gasp) more CATAGORIES. We are attempting to get some
        contest interest in our local area, but we all lack the funds to put
        together a big-gun station.  As we are building experiance it would
        be nice to have a catagory in which we could be competetive. A M/S
        entry could run from 2 ops with 1 rig to  a dozen ops running 3 or 4 
rigs  (run
        station on 20, and a mult station on 10 and 15. As long as the mult
        stations communicate well there would be no problem with the 10
        minute rule. As I interpret the Single Op catagory it is just
        that..ONE op during the complete test. No releif ops or shift work.
        For small groups trying to develope it can be frustrating.

        The catagroies I would suggest are : MultiOp/One rig single band,
        MultiOp/One signal all band. I would leave the current M/S as is
        since it is a competitive catagory.

        The idea is to have someplace for the Davids to duke it out while
        they work on being Goliliths.

        For now, we have our goals set for February and the wire and aluminum
        is ready. Still have to work on adjusting sleeping habits and then
        getting them back to normal come Monday!

vy 73,
--scott N9LJX (WV9Y op)

>From Dieter Dippel" <UNRZ45@daphne.rrze.uni-erlangen.de  Fri Dec 10 08:48:29 
>1993
From: Dieter Dippel" <UNRZ45@daphne.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Dieter Dippel)
Subject: Bavarian Contest Club Meeting
Message-ID: <14857C467FE@daphne.rrze.uni-erlangen.de>

CONTEST @EU      de:DK2OY  07.12.93 22:31  30   1766 Bytes
BCC Treffen/Meeting
de DK2OY @ DB0LAN

************************************************************
*      Dreikoenigstreffen des Bavarian Contest Clubs        *
************************************************************

Auch 1994 gibt es wieder das jetzt schon traditionelle
Dreikoenigstreffen des BCCs.
Die Veranstaltung findet am Samstag den 8. Januar 1994 
ab ca. 12.00 Uhr im Hotel Linden bei Landshut statt.
Im Hotel gibt es Uebernachtungsmoeglichkeiten.
Zimmerreservierungen direkt an Hotel Linden (Familie Wiesinger)
(08704/8356)
Programm:
wird noch zusammengestellt
Vorschlaege werden gerne entgegengenommen

*******
eingegeben von DK2OY fuer DF7RX

************************************************************
*      Yearly Meeting of the Bavarian Contest Clubs        *
************************************************************

Also 1994 the traditional meeting of the Bavarian Contest Club (B.C.C.)
will take place in Landshut near Munich/Bavaria.
We will meet on Saturday January 8th, 1994 
We will start at 12.00 Local time in the "Hotel Linden" very close 
to Landshut. Landshut is situated 60 km northeast of Munich.
In this hotel bed and breakfast is available.
Reservation direct to "Hotel Linden (Family Wiesinger) (49-8704/8356)
schedule: we are working on this iten
proposals are welcome

*******
distributed by DK2OY on behalf of DF7RX 
          

/EXIT


>From Dieter Dippel" <UNRZ45@daphne.rrze.uni-erlangen.de  Fri Dec 10 09:02:01 
>1993
From: Dieter Dippel" <UNRZ45@daphne.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Dieter Dippel)
Subject: CQWWDX-CONTESTS (QSL-MANAGERS)
Message-ID: <14891744703@daphne.rrze.uni-erlangen.de>

Hello dear contester es dxer,

this is a collection of forwarded packet radio mails. 
It contains infos of qsl-managers about the past CQWWDX-CONTESTS.

Please DON'T send any kind of corrections to me, because I'm
NOT the publisher of these infos. Send all the mail to the the publishers
CT1XK and IK2IQD via PR.

73 es hpe cuagn de Dieter, DF4RD

DXNEWS @WW       de:CT1XK  08.12.93 16:54  30   2291 Bytes
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<<< CQWW SSB QSLs MANAGERs >>>
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DXNEWS @WW       de:IK2IQD 08.12.93 22:29  30   7911 Bytes
CQWW CW CONTEST PART 2 MENAGER 

From: IK2IQD@IK2HDG.ITA.EU
To  : DXNEWS@WW


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>From rklein@lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us (Ronald D. Klein)  Fri Dec 10 13:53:32 1993
From: rklein@lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us (Ronald D. Klein) (Ronald D. Klein)
Subject: E-mail to ARRL
Message-ID: <9312101353.AA23109@lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us>

I sent my ARRL SS Phone entry to the league by Internet a few days ago and 
have not received an ack in reply. When I attempted to followup to Billy Lunt 
to see if it was received, that message is getting bounced. I get a note back 
from some server that says it is rejected due to too many hops.

Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I'd like to at least be sure that 
the entry is in their hands. It's hardly a top score, but that doesn't matter.

Perhaps this explains why I appear to have previously had stuff to the league 
go on the floor somewhere.

73, Ron - W0OSK

>From Not a paperless office <young@young.enet.dec.com>  Fri Dec 10 14:35:21 
>1993
From: Not a paperless office <young@young.enet.dec.com> (Not a paperless office)
Subject: WW multi-single rules
Message-ID: <9312101414.AA16731@us1rmc.bb.dec.com>

I've operated my share of CQ WW CW contests in the multi-single category.

We have almost always had a second station hunting multipliers.  Usually it
has been an inferior station, having a  lesser radio, no amplifier, or no CW
filters, but occasionally it has been the same quality as the main station.

We use the second interpretation, that is that receiving counts as part of
the 10 minutes on a band.  If you are outside of the US/Carribean/West Africa
area the multiplier station can go much longer than 10 minutes before it
finds something new.  There were times this year where the multiplier
station hunted for an hour without finding anything to work.  Or it may
call for a long time, being unable to break a US, Europe, or JA pile-up to
the desired station.

Tightening the rules would only make it more difficult for the multiplier
station operator to stay awake.  The big stations which win now would still
win.
                                Paul, K1XM

HS0AC(93), S79S(92), A35MX(91), ZF2PR(90), KC6AA(89), PJ2X(88,87), HC8A(86) 

>From Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH@TGV.COM>  Fri Dec 10 15:19:14 1993
From: Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH@TGV.COM> (Trey Garlough)
Subject: E-mail to ARRL
Message-ID: <755536754.837152.GARLOUGH@TGV.COM>

> I sent my ARRL SS Phone entry to the league by Internet a few days ago and 
> have not received an ack in reply. When I attempted to followup to Billy Lunt 
> to see if it was received, that message is getting bounced. I get a note back 
> from some server that says it is rejected due to too many hops.
> 
> Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I'd like to at least be sure that 
> the entry is in their hands. It's hardly a top score, but that doesn't matter.

I had similar trouble getting a message into the League yesterday.  I got
a nastygram from PSI complaining about too many hops.  It looked like an
internal problem to PSI.  It's certainly transient, so keep trying.

--Trey, WN4KKN/6

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