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RTTY Internet sprINT results

Subject: RTTY Internet sprINT results
From: w2up@voicenet.com (Barry Kutner)
Date: Tue Oct 15 11:35:14 1996
First RTTY Internet sprINT Results

W2UP    105
K0RC     94
KF3P     90   
WS7I     87
KN6DV    82
K1IU     82
WB5B     80
W7RSJ    61
KB9KWL   59
VE7CFD   41
WA4JQS   37
VE7SOD   21
RA0FU     9
WF1B      5    
AB5KD     5


Well, that was interesting! hi!  Next time let's do 40 and 80 or all 
bands...20 was well past dead on the east coast at the start and had 
a hard
time finding 4 stations to work (I worked KN6DV and WS7I over and 
over and..)
Worked 40 the first hour and 50 the second. We should also do the 
Name pass
next time...the exchange ended up being pretty bogus after the first 
It sounded to me like there were a few KW's left running...at least 
part time.
Lot's of fun tho...especially working the fast back to back Q's with 
clueful.  My other radio is back at Yaesu, so was crippled this 
op/single radio (Boo hoo!).  Let's do it again sometime!

This was absolutely great!! I had a blast and look forward to the 
next one.
40 meter was great.

Need more stations to participate. It was a lot of fun
for a new contest. 

Glad to have tried my first Sprint and RTTY to boot!
Had a good time and  managed to produce this log. I am using COMPRTTY 

program and HAL PCI 3000 card for RTTY and had a bit of trouble 
figuring out 
when I could work dupes. I hope you do this again and by then I am 
sure I 
will be a more proficient operator and rack up a higher score.

Wow! The action increased in the second hour. Two radios was 
worthless as you can't tune that fast and there aren't any mults. 
Lots of
fun but keeping the same name makes it too easy.

Was a fun contest. A little slow at the beginning, but picked up
nicely the second hour. After working the same handful of stations on
20, went to 40 early, but nobody else was there! So back to 20.

Also, was a nice turnout of stations, including 2 non-W/VE stations
that showed up in many logs: RA0FU and CO2JA. Several active stations
did not submit logs.

Regarding the exchange, I agree that it was a bit lame. I don't want
to start the name passing as in the CW version, because it would be a 

nightmare to check the logs (I did it by hand). Unless there is a 
volunteer to write software to do it... I would like to incorporate a
QSO number into the next one (maybe late spring '97), if Ray is 
to add it to RTTY by WF1B V3 (What say Ray?)

In checking the logs, I was pretty lenient. 2 stations had QSO times 
off (one by 12 hours!). Remember that the exchange is name and QTH.
Several of you did not enter a QTH for RA0FU. Please do so in the 
future (no deductions taken for this). I only deleted QSOs for 
exchanges or violation of the dupe rule (most of the deletions). 
were deleted from BOTH the sender's and receiver's log if QSO was 
Poor Bob, WB5B, lost 3 QSOs, none of which were his fault. All were 
violations made by the other station.

At least one station was heard to be violating the QSY rule. Please 
follow the rules! 

It was great to have the QSOs flow from one to another, but it didn't
happen too often.  The tip is when you hear the callsign in the
exchange. In order to take advantage of this, I set up my buffers as 
F2 <1> DE W2UP BARRY PA K   this one for reply to a station when you 
                            solicit QSO
F3 <1> BARRY PA W2UP QRZ?   this one in response to other stn CQ, and
                            the QRZ to remind him it's ur freq now
F4 <1> DE W2UP W2UP
F6 NOT YET  QRZ INT DE W2UP K  for a call that you've worked w/in 3 

73 Barry, W2UP

P.S. I'll post this to WF1B-RTTY reflector when the VE7TCP server is 
back up.

Barry Kutner, W2UP                           Internet: w2up@voicenet.com
Newtown, PA                   FRC            alternate: barry@w2up.wells.com

>From n4bp@shadow.net (Bob Patten)  Tue Oct 15 16:58:01 1996
From: n4bp@shadow.net (Bob Patten) (Bob Patten)
Subject: N4BP/VP9 October 16-20
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961015115635.27355B-100000@hyper>

        In March of this year, I was fortunate to win the Bermuda Contest. 
Fortunate, since the first prize is an all expenses paid trip to Bermuda! 
As of now, the airline tickets and VP9 reciprocal license are in hand and
I will depart Fort Lauderdale tomorrow, Wednesday, October 16.  I'll be
bringing my Kenwood TS-430S and four band vertical along and hope to be on
the air by Wednesday afternoon, Thursday morning at the latest. 

        On Wednesday through Friday, I'll be running 100 watts output and
will operate at or near 7040, 14060, 21060, and 28060 Kc. for CW
                              14285, 21385, and 28385 Kc. for SSB.  

No operation is contemplated for 40M SSB, 80M (either mode) or VHF. 

        The QRP A.R.C.I. Fall QSO Party takes place on October 19/20 and I
plan to participate as N4BP/VP9 until I must leave for the airport around
Sunday noon.  During the QSO Party, I will run five watts output and
operate at or near the CW QRP frequencies of 7040, 14060, 21060, and 28060
Kc.  The party starts at 1200Z on Saturday.  The rules are listed in the
major ham publications such as QST and the QRP Quarterly.  ANY CALLS ARE

Bob Patten, N4BP

>From 0006743923@mcimail.com (W6PH)  Tue Oct 15 17:01:00 1996
From: 0006743923@mcimail.com (W6PH) (W6PH)
Subject: SS "Rover", SO/Packet
Message-ID: <34961015160143/0006743923DF1EM@MCIMAIL.COM>

SweepStakes Categories for Rover or Single Op Assisted (Packet)
1)  There is no category for rover or "SS/Mobile" in different sections
    using the same call sign.  (K8MR type operations use different
    stations and calls; he is a roving operator!)  If you are operating 
    mobile by yourself, you are single operator.  You may work others only 
    once and others may only work you once.  Otherwise, it is a duplicate 
    contact.  There is no multiplier credit for a duplicate contact.  So, 
    a second contact with you in a different section is a null contact.  
    There is no scoring advantage to operating from more than one section.  
    The unanswered question is which section the score should been listed 
2)  There is no packet assisted category in SS.  If you use packet spotting,
    you should report as a multioperator entry.  Because of the desire
    to work all 78 sections to get an SS cup, the packet networks may
    provide the opportunity to do so.  But, don't report yourself as a
    single operator, because you aren't.  A couple years ago, there was 
    a SSB QRP operator who was soliciting spots for rare sections on the  
    YCCC network (non-member of YCCC) during the SS and the QST results 
    showed him being in the top ten for single op QRP.  I disregard any 
    entry by this station, but he still sends in logs and gets awards.
                                Kurt Pauer, W6PH/1

>From n6ig@netcom.com (Jim Pratt)  Tue Oct 15 17:04:19 1996
From: n6ig@netcom.com (Jim Pratt) (Jim Pratt)
Subject: Please Don't Use Expired Calls
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9610150923.A25975-0100000@netcom3>

Yes, I have noticed that phenomenon as well.  During the last California 
QSO Party, there seemed to be a number of calls coming to me from K7RA, 
who has been dead for some years.  There was also an odd correlation with 
the station what was immediately worked befored the K7RA callsign came 
along.  K7RA does not appear in the W6GO log, by the way...

Times, they are a changin'...in the past, I may also have "helped" people 
with handing out a bunch of calls in a row.  With the log checking that 
is being done today, I don't think that sort of "help" is needed.

73, Jim  N6IG


>From kr4dl@mindspring.com (Steven R. Schmidt)  Tue Oct 15 21:49:03 1996
From: kr4dl@mindspring.com (Steven R. Schmidt) (Steven R. Schmidt)
Subject: Vanity-delete if disinterested
Message-ID: <>

Sorry to bring up this tired thread, but I heard a rumor W4DX is available
again.  The rumor says the FCC determined the recipient wasn't qualified to
receive it and put it back in the pool.  Can anyone confirm or deny this story?
Shouldn't three weeks be enough time for data entry clerks to type 4900 (or
so) first day Gate 2 applications?  Does anyone have any inside on when the
FCC plans to pull the computer's trigger?

Just impatient, I guess.  73,  Steve  KR4DL

>From fisher@hp-and2.an.hp.com (Tony Brock-Fisher)  Tue Oct 15 17:37:20 1996
From: fisher@hp-and2.an.hp.com (Tony Brock-Fisher) (Tony Brock-Fisher)
Subject: EU Layers
Message-ID: <9610151637.AA13933@hp-and2.an.hp.com>

I have often heard the expression "second, third, even fourth layer Europeans"
applied to the type of stations worked by Big East (tm) Megastations in
DX contests. I can easily see how there would be such a breakdown. The first
layer would be the Big Eu (tm) Megastations; the second layer would be
EU hams running ~1500 watts with decent antennas; the third layer would
be 100 watt EU stations and low tribanders/wires; and the fourth layer
would be QRP guys loading up their Tulips...

What would be really interesting to see is a classification of EU stations
by layer. Given a bunch of contest logs, the stations could be classified
according to the number of US logs in which they appear. Those appearing
in 75-100 percent of US logs would be first layer; those in 50-74% would
be second layer, and so on. Maybe the percentages would need to be adjusted.

Having this information would be useful to measuring your own performance.
You would be able to see if you really are working down into the third and
fourth layers...

Any Data Crunchers out there volunteering??

-Tony, K1KP, fisher@hp-and2.an.hp.com

>From k0rc@pclink.com (Robert Chudek)  Tue Oct 15 16:54:24 1996
From: k0rc@pclink.com (Robert Chudek) (Robert Chudek)
Subject: CW SS Mobile ops - the answer from KR1R
Message-ID: <>

I thought the final opinion on this topic was to work the dupes
no matter what... cuz when I log you the first time at 3:00 in
the morning as k5DZ... well, you get the picture...

73 de Bob - k0RC

At 05:41 AM 10/15/96 -0400, you wrote:
>If you call me while doing this, and you don't want to be ignored as a
dupe, try the following:  send KN5H/<your section> when you call.  This is
how I am going to have to log you anyway to get the computer to not think it
is a dupe!
>Be prepared for a lot of frustrating attempts to explain what you are
doing... over and over and over.
>Randy, k5ZD
>From:  Steven Nace[SMTP:snace@tdrss.wsc.nasa.gov]
>Sent:  Monday, October 14, 1996 1:08 PM
>To:    cq-contest@tgv.com
>Subject:       CW SS Mobile ops - the answer from KR1R
>K4OGG got this answer from the League. I am reposting as it appears he did
>not send this message to the entire group.
>>I wondered about the scoring, regarding sections, myself so I asked
>>Billy Lunt at the ARRL.  The response was that each time you enter a new
>>section, you start from scratch. I'll be in TN (visiting daughter at
>>Vandy) and will then be coming back to GA on Sunday afternoon. I will start
>>with number 1 when I enter GA. Problem (if I do this -- and many are saying
>>that I should not) will be convincing stations that I am not a dupe. Also,
>>if I do it, I'll probably use a tape recorder.
>>Thanks for your response!
>>- Jay/K4OGG
>de Hose   KN5H     not  KM5H or KN5S or KNH5
>Randy Thompson
Amateur Radio Call Sign: K5ZD
>E-mail: k5zd@ultranet.com
>11 Hollis Street,  Uxbridge, MA 01569
>h (508) 278-2355  w (508) 337-6600

>From thompson@mindspring.com (David L. Thompson)  Tue Oct 15 17:30:45 1996
From: thompson@mindspring.com (David L. Thompson) (David L. Thompson)
Subject: Please Don't Use Expired Calls
Message-ID: <199610151718.NAA28243@itchy.mindspring.com>

Dick Norton, N6AA/VK5 wrote:
>It seems pedantic to have to say the following but -
>Some people think it is cool to give friends extra contacts by working them 
>with their old, or even future-expected call. This has, in the past, 
>included people who should know better. There even was a case of this 
>detected during the WRTC.
>Some people think it is cool to give friends extra contacts by working them 
>with their wife's call, or multi-op station's operator's call, or call of a 
>foreigner licensed to their location. This has, in the past, also included 
>people who should know better. There are discussions taking place between 
>some of the judges of one big contest about to do with one guy who received 
>35 private contacts in one recent event. One of his friends gave him a 
>"contact" with a guy who died about five years ago, and he actually logged 
>it. He is the only "serious" competitor doing this kind of thing. The sad 
>thing is that the guy actually has enough talent to win his class someday, 
>with skill, if things went right for him. Presently he has a reputation that 
>I wouldn't want, and he can thank his helping friends for part of it.
>There are likely to be a number of new calls on the air in the upcoming 
>contests. It sure would be nice if there were no contacts made with the 
>calls that were given up. Log checkers would thank you if you made their 
>work of looking at computer generated notations of "Bad-calls" easier, by 
>using only your call currently assigned by the FCC.
>It would be much cooler to let your friends win using their skill.

I agree with Dick on this subject.   Dick pointed out one person I know who
used his soon-to be asked for old call sign to work WRTC contestants.   I
see this happen every CQ 160 contest, too and believe me these are found out
and usually removed.   Please DO NOT DO THIS and do not log this either.

One other thing I see are contacts given out by operators at multi op
stations or the home call of the visting op portable the Dx location.  Using
the same station to pass out multiple QSOs to friends or club members is in
bad taste even if the station (s) have not entered the contest.  If the
station enters the contest then the extra contacts are ILLEGAL!   I know if
there is rare DX on an operator might be tempted to dump in his or her
personal call...but please don't do it!

Dave K4JRB

>From Fatchett.Mike@tci.com (Fatchett, Mike)  Tue Oct 15 19:30:13 1996
From: Fatchett.Mike@tci.com (Fatchett, Mike) (Fatchett, Mike)
Subject: Vanity-delete if disinterested

If true it is nice to see the FCC do the right thing and revoke the call.


From:  (Steven R. Schmidt)[SMTP:kr4dl@mindspring.com]
Sent:  Tuesday, October 15, 1996 12:05 PM
To:  cq-contest@tgv.com
Subject:  Vanity-delete if disinterested

<<File: ATTACH01.TXT>>

>From bigdon@eskimo.com (Big Don)  Tue Oct 15 19:00:49 1996
From: bigdon@eskimo.com (Big Don) (Big Don)
Subject: C'mon guys
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961015105830.5828B-100000@eskimo.com>

On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Larry Tyree wrote:
> I am SICK and TIRED of receiving messages on the reflector that
> start with things like:
> Joe -
> or
> Tom - 
> or any other name!!!  These messages should be addressed to 
> the person you are talking to, NOT the whole reflector.  

Larry -

Reading the mail is in the best time-honored tradition of ham radio.
You can't read it if you can't see it...

Big Don

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