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[CQ-Contest] Little Gun Dilemma: Callsign not acknowledged

Subject: [CQ-Contest] Little Gun Dilemma: Callsign not acknowledged
From: k2av@contesting.com (Guy Olinger, K2AV)
Date: Tue Feb 19 22:01:33 2002
Dunno about anybody else, but TRLog in # 5 below will send:

5 he: ng3k r big0gun test

because the first thing typed in was ng3 and it winds up being ng3k,
so it's AUTOMATICALLY sent just to make sure. Big help because I will
get a couple hundred stations correcting their call after I send it.

Smart op will leave that feature on.

I understand your sentiment, but if I'm big0gun I'm the one that gets
whacked for not getting your call right. Kindly DO NOT bother with the
time-wasting alternative you espouse. I can take care of myself.

The biggest reason I have trouble with your call the first time is all
the other stations sending the same time as you. In the clear, I will
have no trouble copying the ng3k in (3). I'm expecting it. If I don't
think I copied it clean, *I* will call *YOU* to get it right. I WANT
the points and DO NOT WANT the penalty.

I will send the corrected call sign in my response. Worry if you DON't
hear the correction. Although in your example I would KNOW that ng3
was not complete. If you had not sent a correction, I would have asked
for it. My (5) would be

5  he: ng3? cfm ng3??

And I am usually aware when I don't have a call entirely or the copy
is bad. My choice to take the risk, or drop out of rhythm to get it

Just the view from the other side.

73 & hope to work you in the WPX (of course),


----- Original Message -----
From: <Bill@ng3k.com>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:22 PM
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Little Gun Dilemma: Callsign not acknowledged

ARRL DX CW Exchange:

1  he: test big0gun

2  me: ng3k

3  he: ng3 599 kw

4  me: tu ng3k 599 md

5  he: r big0gun test

This is indeed the argument for:

4  me: ng3k

And most of the time I do this, but if I believe the
operator to be solid, I sometimes make an exception
in the interest of not slowing down his run. Of
course, what I expect to get (and most often do) in
return is:

5  he: 3k r big0gun test  (or somesuch)

If it didn't work this way most of the time, I would
never send my exchange at 4.

So, I'm running 5 watts into a wire and big0gun is
off working the pileup now. I try to confirm that he
has copied my call correctly. Either he can't hear
me or he ignores me (I have know way to tell the

If you're big0gun, what is your preference?  Should
I have sent only my call at 4 and not worried about
slowing down your run?  Should I try to work you again
later?  Should I assume you've copied my call correctly
and log you?  Do I not log you? Any other thoughts or

Clue: I'm not going to hang around until mammoth size
pile-up (tm) clears.  I know I'm not going to win, but
I still like to do as well as I can.

At step 4, my personal preference is:

4  me: big0gun r ng3k 599 md

but this does slow things down and very few do it, so
I "go along".  And I suppose big0gun has no real vested
interest in whether or not I get his call correct.  As
long as I'm close and I log it, he'll get his points.
But, by the same token, if he has my callsign slightly
wrong, he looses points, but I get mine.



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