In a message dated 3/10/06 4:12:23 AM Greenwich Standard Time,
PS: I notice alot of stations ask the statsions they work to spot them over
and over I guess that really ought to be considered self spotting as well,
So apparentaly not your self , not a friend, or even some one you work
should spot you!? In that case why allow spotting at all!!?? maybe that would
make the the socialistic , "nothing better to do doers", P&Mers happy?!
...........................from an old fart (contesting for most of my 44
Lot so of things bothered me about your response to K1TTT's posting. The
thing that bothered me most was your parting shot.
Yes, lots of stations ask me and others to spot them. Most experienced
contesters agree that those actions put them in the assisted class or higher.
have no problem with stations asking for those spots, so long as they claim
assisted category. So the answer to the first part of your rhetorical question
no, you should not ask someone to spot you. That includes asking your friend
(if you did ask him) to repeatedly post spots for you and almost no one else.
By the way, almost none of the superstations and first class ops do this for
a good reason...ethics and pride in their reputations.
You may or may not know, not allowing spotting at all has been rehashed many
times on this reflector. I personally don't use it, preferring to get my
mults the old fashioned way. However, I have no problems with guys using it, as
long as they claim assisted or are in M/S or M/M category. The problem is not
packet, it's the lowlifes who use it to cheat when they claim unassisted.
Finally, I'm sure K1TTT has lots of things better to do than analyzing the
spots...like regularly opening his station to anyone to use for contests and
acting as an Elmer to them(keep up the good work Dave!). But, he loves the
enough to selflessly do this stuff........and take crap when someone gets
caught with his fingers in the spotting jar.
If you have heard from contesters on this, my feeling is they are probably
experienced guys and they are trying to self-police....a very difficult and
noble thing to do. It's hard to approach someone about questionable operating
They are not "socialists" who are trying to run your contesting life. They
are guys (and XYLs) who want to keep everyone playing by the rules.
My shack's walls, like yours, are lined with plaques and certificates from
contests. I know, and visitors do too, they were gotten by hard work and
fair-play. Regardless of how many first place finishes one gets, and how many
plaques and certificates one hangs on the walls, without the respect of his
contesters, those trophies are meaningless and hollow.
Once someone gets the reputation as a cheat, whether it is for abusing
packet, running illegal power or some other thing, his accomplishments are
tarnished by that, "I wonder if he cheated in that one too ?".
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