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Re: [CQ-Contest] SO2R Technique

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SO2R Technique
From: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:27:58 -0500 (CDT)
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But at what point do you "lose" the frequency when you jump to the other rig?

I will agree that if you're making a quick (stress:  "quick") jump back & 
forth, especially on CW at a decent speed, you probably will not be gone from 
the primary frequency more than a few (less than 30, probably less than 20) 
seconds.  So a considerate contester who happens on the temporarily vacant 
frequency should call "QRL?" or whatever, by which time you're back.  Fair 

However... if it's more than 30 seconds or so, what's a reasonable time to 
wait?  Remember, the person who's listening on the original run frequency may 
have no idea that you're SO2R and are jumping back and forth (after all, how 
could they know?).  For all they know, you've permanently QSY'd from the 
original frequency, or taken a break, or suffered a rig failure, or who knows 

This same thing can (and often does) happen when you're happily calling "CQ" on 
Band 'A,' someone asks you to QSY quickly to Band 'B' to get your QSO on that 
band, and you agree.  In many cases, by the time you punch up the other VFO, 
punch in the frequency, QSY and make the contact, significant time (again, over 
30 seconds) has gone past.  

Either way, consider the poor slob who THINKS he's found a clear frequency, 
QRL'd with no response, has begun CQ'ing and even worked a few stations.  Is it 
now reasonable or fair to him that you suddenly pop back on frequency after the 
short absence, and demand that HE leave so that you can have your run frequency 
back?  Worse, after he reasonably states something to the effect that you were 
gone, and no one replied to his QRL? -- should you now try to push him off 
frequency by overpowering or QRM'ing him, just because you can?  (Unlike some 
on this reflector, I do NOT believe that might makes right and anything not 
prohibited is acceptable, but that's another story for another time.)

Yes, I know, sometimes things happen in the heat of the moment that you later 
regret, mistakes happen, propagation shifts, and so forth:  Stuff happens. 

Still:  I maintain that a considerate contester who is either running SO2R or 
'temporarily' QSY'ing to another frequency, for whatever reason, runs the risk 
of losing the 'temporarily' vacated frequency, and must not only ACCEPT that 
risk but be willing to ACCEPT losing the frequency when gone for any 
significant length of time.

...and one thing to consider, something that I see every year in many of the 
smaller/regiional contests (such as the PA QSO Party) is this situation -- 
which solves the problem pretty neatly, IMHO (YMMV):

-- AA1ABC from NA2DEF, you're 59
-- QSL the 59, you're also 59.  Hey, can we work you on 28.495?
-- Sure, be there in a moment.  AA4GHI from NA2DEF, still there?
-- Yes!  You're 59 here.
-- You're also 59.  Hey, I need to go to 28.495 for a few minutes, want to run 
the frequency until I'm back?

In this scenario, everyone knows that NA2DEF will be right back, the frequency 
is not left temporarily vacated, AA4GHI gets a few minutes to switch from S&P 
to Run & make some more Q's... no hassles, no problems, everyone wins.

73, ron w3wn


Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:53:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: sawyered@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SO2R Technique
To: guy_molinari@hotmail.com
Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
A great question and one that has no "fixed" answer.  I can only offer comment 
for myself.

First of all, I NEVER use auto CQ.  It keeps me awake in the middle of the 
night for one.  Secondly, the timing of SO2R is always changing and an AUTO CQ, 
just doesn't fit in my opinion.  I hit F1, when the timing is right...all the 
time.  Sometimes the timing is right after someone is showing up on your 
frequency.  Sometimes the timing is waiting quite a while during the radio 2 
pick-off of a Q.  All the time, I am monitoring the CQ frequency.  There are 
times where holding your run frequency is SO Important that you simply cannot 
risk losing it to a second radio Q (unless maybe it is a double mult in CQ WW).

The answer to losing your run frequency during SO2R (again in my opinion) is a 
combination of the following:

- be aware of this fluid timing by NOT using Auto CQ.
- if someone makes even a "dit" on your run frequency, abandon the second radio 
Q and immediately fit F1 (at least twice).  This means the second radio guy is 
going "?" and wonders where you went.
- You need to know whether to fight or change on the run frequency "grab".  
Know if you are LOUD.  I am pretty loud in EU and I am not going to lose a run 
freq battle too much of the time (especially if the grabber knows that he just 
jumped on me).  But a few years ago if I didn't get someone to move with a few 
tries, I would move.  It is important to know where you stand on this.  Most, 
not all, will move if they know that they jumped in and your signal is loud 
enough to prevent them from doing a good run.  Keep in mind that the tighter 
your filters are the easier this method is.

Have fun.

Ed  N1UR

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