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Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL says no to opening logs...

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL says no to opening logs...
From: Axel Schernikau <Axel.Schernikau@siv.de>
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:22:42 +0000
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Hello Mike,

Don't think that that's the real problem.

If YOU made the QSO You can send the card and the QSL-manager will find 
it in the log, even if the call was busted by the OP.

But if ALL data of the QSO (date, time, band, mode) will be published 
W1DR or W1NL (or which other call is nearby) could send in a card 
quicker than You with the exact QSO information. He can't do this if he 
wasn't on the QRG and heard Your QSO.

So that would open a can of problems for the QSL-manager and and can of 
"chances" for cheaters, although we all hope there are not much of them 
in hamradio.

73 & gl,

Axel Schernikau, DL6KVA

Mike McCarthy, W1NR schrieb:
> It says "All essential elements".  In other words, publishing enough 
> information to fix a "busted" or incomplete QSO so you can fill out your QSL 
> card and get credit for a QSO that is questionable is not allowed.  This is 
> why the big dxpeditions allow you to query the log and report minimal 
> information back.  Just enough to see if you are in the log, but not enough 
> info for you to claim the QSO if the call is busted or you could not hear 
> the report come back.  I see nothing wrong with that and in fact fully 
> endorse it.  Wouldn't it also be against the rules to call the guy on the 
> phone and ask him what he has in the log to confirm the QSL info with you 
> before you send a card?
> Mike, W1NR
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <k1ttt@arrl.net>
> To: "CQ-Contest" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL says no to opening logs...
>> here is the new rule:
>> 5. The presentation in any public forum of logs or other representations
>> of station operation showing details of station activity or other
>> information from which all essential QSO elements (time, date, band, mode
>> and callsign) for individual contacts can be derived creates a question as
>> to the integrity of the claimed QSOs with that station during the period
>> encompassed by the log. Presentation of such information in any public
>> forum by the station operator, operators or associated parties is not
>> allowed and may be considered sufficient reason to deny ARRL award credit
>> for contacts with any station for which such presentations have been made.
>> Persistent violation of this provision may result in disqualification from
>> the DXCC program.
>> this makes no sense at all...  How does confirming that you actually have
>> a contact in the log before actually sending for a card, or submitting to
>> LOTW threaten the qsl process??  doesn't the qso have to show in both logs
>> (on lotw), or the manager has to find the requested qso in the log to get
>> back a card anyway??  how does your knowing that you actually got logged
>> affect that?
>> Personally, this is one of the many reasons i refuse to bother with DXCC
>> and many of the other awards programs that are controlled by crazy sets of
>> rules that can be changed on the whim of some administrator.  Maybe i'll
>> just publish all my logs and be done with it, no more dxcc for me or
>> anyone trying to claim a contact with me!!
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