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Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL says no to opening logs...

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL says no to opening logs...
From: "David Robbins K1TTT" <k1ttt@arrl.net>
Reply-to: k1ttt@arrl.net
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:36:12 -0000
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But if you are busted in the published log, how do you fix THEIR log???  The
on-line log may let you know that you aren't in their log, but it can't fix
it... so even if you had the right date and time and sent for the qsl you
shouldn't get it.  So publishing logs should be a GOOD thing for DXCC, it
lets more people take up less air time getting insurance contacts, and lets
those whose contacts are busted make another good contact, thereby improving
their country count and reducing frustration by getting back a NIL card
years after the event!!!  I still say its another dumb ruling by the DXCC
administrators who must have been pressured by someone with a big
misconception of what an on-line log could do for the hobby.

David Robbins K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
web: http://www.k1ttt.net
AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
> bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike McCarthy, W1NR
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 18:23
> To: CQ-Contest
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL says no to opening logs...
> It says "All essential elements".  In other words, publishing enough
> information to fix a "busted" or incomplete QSO so you can fill out your
> card and get credit for a QSO that is questionable is not allowed.  This
> is
> why the big dxpeditions allow you to query the log and report minimal
> information back.  Just enough to see if you are in the log, but not
> enough
> info for you to claim the QSO if the call is busted or you could not hear
> the report come back.  I see nothing wrong with that and in fact fully
> endorse it.  Wouldn't it also be against the rules to call the guy on the
> phone and ask him what he has in the log to confirm the QSL info with you
> before you send a card?
> Mike, W1NR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <k1ttt@arrl.net>
> To: "CQ-Contest" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL says no to opening logs...
> > here is the new rule:
> >
> > 5. The presentation in any public forum of logs or other representations
> > of station operation showing details of station activity or other
> > information from which all essential QSO elements (time, date, band,
> mode
> > and callsign) for individual contacts can be derived creates a question
> as
> > to the integrity of the claimed QSOs with that station during the period
> > encompassed by the log. Presentation of such information in any public
> > forum by the station operator, operators or associated parties is not
> > allowed and may be considered sufficient reason to deny ARRL award
> credit
> > for contacts with any station for which such presentations have been
> made.
> > Persistent violation of this provision may result in disqualification
> from
> > the DXCC program.
> >
> >
> > this makes no sense at all...  How does confirming that you actually
> have
> > a contact in the log before actually sending for a card, or submitting
> to
> > LOTW threaten the qsl process??  doesn't the qso have to show in both
> logs
> > (on lotw), or the manager has to find the requested qso in the log to
> get
> > back a card anyway??  how does your knowing that you actually got logged
> > affect that?
> >
> > Personally, this is one of the many reasons i refuse to bother with DXCC
> > and many of the other awards programs that are controlled by crazy sets
> of
> > rules that can be changed on the whim of some administrator.  Maybe i'll
> > just publish all my logs and be done with it, no more dxcc for me or
> > anyone trying to claim a contact with me!!
> >
> >
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