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Re: [CQ-Contest] Real Time Scoreboards

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Real Time Scoreboards
From: k3bu@optonline.net
Reply-to: k3bu@optonline.net
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:27:20 +0000 (GMT)
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Howdy esteemed CQ WW Contest Committee,

First of all, thanks for deciding to publish the logs of contesters. It should 
be done after the deadline and it will be a great vehicle to minimize the 
outright cheating by having close competitors to look at the logs and point out 
some things that the judges could miss. It will be deterrent to some "creative 
logging", but also a great tool for those behind to see and learn how to do it.
I think that real time scoreboards are unnecessary and their use should be 
The nature of ham radio contesting is a competition in defined time frame (say, 
like downhill skiing), under varying propagation conditions, that make this 
reporting completely useless (to me anyway). If I am going "for blood", 
operating seriously, I do not have time to watch the scoreboard and 
competition. I am trying to maximize my score under my situation and knowing 
what the competition is doing is pointless. What? Am I supposed to slow down 
when I am ahead? Or speed up when I am behind? Or quit if D4B is creaming me?

Argument that it would bring non-contesters in, I think is baseless. If anyone 
is interested in contesting, then he/she should get on, work few stations, hand 
out points and observe some of the top scorers and learn from watching their 
It appears to me that those calling for this real time reporting are not 
serious about the contesting and are looking for some "entertainment".
What is more important is to speed up processing of logs and results. Waiting 9 
months for contest results pregnancy is unnecessary and frankly ridiculous. We 
can have all the logs e-mailed in within 14 days and have results out in one or 
two months. By the time I see the contest results, I forget I was in the 
contest :-)
In order to make CQ WW better and more attractive I suggest that QSOs with own 
country should be counted at least ONE point. Discriminating against large and 
populous ham countries is skewing the scores and is disincentive to more 
participation, especially for little pistols from populous countries. In the 
present situation there is no need to penalize large countries with ZERO 
points, does not serve any purpose. We have to yet reach the situation when we 
have to discourage people from working stations in the contests.
Remove 3 QSO penalty. That has outgrown its purpose from the old days of paper 
logs and responsibility for duping QSOs by contesters. It is apparent that 
because of that rule, some operators, when not sure of QSO or due to errors 
while logging, would remove perfectly good QSO (or M/S "inconvenient") while 
the other station was under impression of having complete, valid QSO. Log 
checking and number of logs are getting better and I think it is time to 
dispense with this "penalty".
I think we should strive to make contesting better, easier, more inviting for 
the newcomers.
Rules should be modernized in a way that would cause scores to go up rather 
than down, in order to preserve some continuity of all time records. 
Breaking results into "my category" does not serve us well. If one is a little 
pistol, starting, they can cut their teeth on smaller contests and gradually 
work their way up into the top boxes or records in the biggies. This is 
INCENTIVE to learn and grow and look forward to the next one. Winning "my 
block" category and retiring with certificate to prove it, doesn't speak much. 
Those that grew gradually, are still in it after 40 years. Those that came with 
big money, put up big station and cornered M/M top spots, are gone after a 
couple of years. As I mentioned before, if I was just DXer I would be a dead 
ham long time ago (what else to look forward to?), but as a contester, I am 
looking (conditions permitting) to the next contest as a new challenge, ball 
game, that has still lot of mystery and variables that I always try to master 
and improve on. If I get beaten, I try to figure out why and where to improve, 
if I win or achieve my goal, I take the XYL to "contest dinner".
 73  Yuri, K3BU, VE3BMV etc.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Cox 
Date: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:46 pm
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Real Time Scoreboards
To: cq-contest@contesting.com

> Dear Fellow Contester,
> The CQ WW Contest Committee is discussing whether use of real-time
> contest scoreboards is likely to convey information about band
> openings and profitable tactics to an extent that participants using
> the scoreboards should be categorized as assisted. The 2006 CQ 
> WW contest
> rules have already been published and they will govern the 2006 
> contests.
> We welcome your comments on this, and suggest the possibility of also
> sending the comments to the CQ-Contest reflector so that others can
> see them and possibly follow up.
> Comments can be sent to live@cqww.com 
> 73
> Bob, K3EST
> CQ WW Director
> For the CQ WW Committee
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