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Re: [CQ-Contest] zero pointers - was: Rick's Cafe...NQ4I's "Playitagain"

To: "Kelly Taylor" <ve4xt@mts.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] zero pointers - was: Rick's Cafe...NQ4I's "Playitagain"
From: "Ted Bryant" <w4nz@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:28:07 -0500
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
Hi Kelly,

Sorry to disagree with you, but having rules that allow valid QSO's worth zero 
points is just plain
silly. If it is a valid QSO it should also have some point value.  The fact 
that the QSO may also be
a multiplier is incidental.

Disallowing same-country QSO's is just one way to address the issue.  This 
would be in line with the
purists who want to keep CQWW truly a "DX" contest.  It would also stop wasting 
everyone's time with
zero-value QSO's. Yes, those who do not know better would still call, but they 
do that in the ARRL
DX, too. (They're "just trying to help" :)) Unfortunately, that aspect is just 
a fact of life.

Allowing one point for same-country QSO's is another way to solve this. It 
hasn't turned CQWPX or
IARU into  domestic contests and it wouldn't the CQWW.  The way it currently 
sits, when North
America-Europe propagation dies, CQWW basically becomes an European QSO party. 
(Why should they have
all the fun?)  Particularly during this part of the cycle it would certainly 
give CQWW a boost in
activity in North America.

See you in SS.

73, Ted W4NZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Taylor [mailto:ve4xt@mts.net]
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 5:23 PM
To: Ted Bryant; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] zero pointers - was: Rick's Cafe...NQ4I's
"Play itagain"

Disallowing same-country Qs will only have the effect of telling we who
already know better. Allowing one point per same-country Q creates another
ho-hum domestic contest.

The average zeropointer in Rick's log, I'm sure, is someone who's "Just
trying to help."

I still think the net result of trying to "fix" this problem will be worse
than the problem.

Zero-point Qs happen.

73, kelly
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Bryant" <w4nz@comcast.net>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] zero pointers - was: Rick's Cafe...NQ4I's "Play

> And why is this familiar...because the problem still exists. In this part
of the cycle and the lack
> of propagation, it is even more evident.  As I recall, NQ4I wasn't the
only station affected by
> this.  I believe last year K5NA also said that they had a significant
number of "zero-pointers".
> The CQWW Contest Committee needs to either disallow same-country QSO's or
reward points for them.
> There have been several viable solutions proposed. Why is this so
> Ted W4NZ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of
> kr2q@optonline.net
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:13 PM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Rick's Cafe...NQ4I's "Play it again"
> does any of this sound, umm, familiar?
> >From the bar at Rick's Cafe...

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