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Re: [CQ-Contest] Battle of the Cheaters

To: "Jim Neiger" <n6tj@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Battle of the Cheaters
From: "K0HB " <k-zero-hb@earthlink.net>
Reply-to: k-zero-hb@earthlink.net
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 05:53:29 -0000
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
You might want to stand up on your operating chair, Jim, because I think my
point went over your head.

All of us want cheaters dealt with, even 7th-tier incredibly uninformed
non-contenders like me.

But writing hand-wringing jeremiads on a reflector isn't where "dealt with"
gets done.  This reflector has zero official standing, and we can't help

I don't want you to name names here. Read my post again.  I want you to
name names to the contest sponsor.

73, de Hans, K0HB

 ><{{{{*>    http://www.home.earthlink.net/~k0hb   

> [Original Message]
> From: Jim Neiger <n6tj@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <k-zero-hb@earthlink.net>
> Cc: CQ-Contest@contesting. com <CQ-Contest@contesting.com>
> Date: 12/9/2007 5:39:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Battle of the Cheaters
> I've been having "private inquiries" from quite a few about this, and
> some thoughtful suggestions and ideas and questions.
> I wasn't going to say much more about it, in a public domain, until I
> this claptrap that Hans K0HB posted.
> Incredibly uninformed, and for K0HB and K6LA and others who ask:  there
> such things as libel, and slander, and defamation,  and I choose not to 
> state here what I, and quite a few others know to be the truth.  It's 
> amazing to me that so many are not aware that last year's CQ WW CW SO/AB
> 1 claimed score was ultimately DQed, and with a minimal amount if
> and reading of what is available to 100% of the world to read, all could 
> learn.
> Of course, for those who elect not to play in the ultimate arenas of 
> competition, the interests are not the same, and it's certainly 
> understandable that they will neither know, or care.  But it doesn't mean 
> that the problem isn't very real.  I suppose if you don't invest
> of $$, many hours of time for station work and travel, and choose to
> for World top honors, you couldn't care less if your effort went down the 
> drain because the winner didn't play by the rules.
> It's like the old QUESTION:  What's the difference between ignorance and 
> apathy?  ANSWER:  I don't know and I don't care.
> I just received a phone call from Finland, from one of the world's top 
> operators, expressing his concern, and of those of his fellow countrymen
> I going to be on K6LA and K0HB's ridiculous list, now, because I choose
> to say who called?) conveying their equal concern of the path that 
> contesting is on, due to the ills perpetrated by these outright cheaters.
> A call I will mention is that of Al,  4L5A / D4B who telephoned me the
> morning, and even though this cheating was paramount in his leaving 
> contesting, Al still very much cares, knows it is rampant, and fears for
> future of contesting.  Does anyone care that D4B left contesting, while
> the very pinnacle of performance, because of this?   I do.
> We can all continue to shine it on, or do something about it.  What can
> done?
> 1.  Permanent or 5 years no participation once DQed
> 2.  Set-up of wideband recording receivers around the world.
> 3.  Submittal of tape recordings by those wishing to compete for world 
> honors.
> 4. On-site inspectors, very much like WRTC.
> 5. Open up log checking and Committee decisions beyond the hands of one
> two.
> 6. Turn off packet (THIS will never happen; packet is too popular and
> probably wouldn't know how to operate without)
> Just some senile ramblings from someone who's been there and got a 
> T-Shirt................
> Jim Neiger   N6TJ  9Y4AA   ZD8Z
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "K0HB " <k-zero-hb@earthlink.net>
> To: "CQ-Contest" <CQ-Contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Battle of the Cheaters
> > If you have proof submit it to the contest sponsor, instead of this 
> > seventh-grade "look at me, I know a secret, and I might tell your
> > nonsense.
> >
> > 73, de Hans, K0HB/4ID
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