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Re: [CQ-Contest] Battle of the Cheaters

To: n6tj@sbcglobal.net, cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Battle of the Cheaters
From: Jimk8mr@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 09:41:32 EST
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At the start of this thread I too wondered who was the object of the  
discussion. I just now went to the 3830 archives and figured it out. Then I  
out the CQ magazine and noted the DQ notice at the very bottom of the  results. 
I also looked at his log, which is available at     http://cqww.com/cwlogs/   

Jim, what was the nature of the  cheating? From the log I would guess it was 
use of packet. Is that correct, or  is there something else? (In the online 
log the category is listed as  "Assisted", which may have been done by the 

I would make a  suggestion to the CQWW Committee: 

Post submitted logs online after the  submission deadline, but in plenty of 
time for examination by others who might  then submit a complaint about 
suspicious logs.  That way anyone who  believes they have been a victim of 
could examine the logs, and  register a complaint with the CQWW committee in 
time for official investigation  prior to the release of the final results. In 
the case of CQWW CW, post the logs  somewhere around February 1.

When D4B got pissed off about cheating, logs were not available for  
inspection. Having them now available after the results are out is a big step  
forward, and having them available before the judging will be an even bigger  
help in 
the fight against cheating (at least cheating of the packet usage  kind).
73  -  Jim  K8MR

In a  message dated 12/9/2007 6:18:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
n6tj@sbcglobal.net  writes:
I've been having "private inquiries" from quite a few about this, and  with 
some thoughtful suggestions and ideas and questions.

I wasn't  going to say much more about it, in a public domain, until I read 
this  claptrap that Hans K0HB posted.

Incredibly uninformed, and for K0HB and  K6LA and others who ask:  there are 
such things as libel, and slander,  and defamation,  and I choose not to 
state here what I, and quite a few  others know to be the truth.  It's 
amazing to me that so many are not  aware that last year's CQ WW CW SO/AB No. 
1 claimed score was ultimately  DQed, and with a minimal amount if interest 
and reading of what is available  to 100% of the world to read, all could 

Of course, for those  who elect not to play in the ultimate arenas of 
competition, the interests  are not the same, and it's certainly 
understandable that they will neither  know, or care.  But it doesn't mean 
that the problem isn't very  real.  I suppose if you don't invest thousands 
of $$, many hours of  time for station work and travel, and choose to compete 
for World top  honors, you couldn't care less if your effort went down the 
drain because  the winner didn't play by the rules.

It's like the old QUESTION:   What's the difference between ignorance and 
apathy?  ANSWER:  I  don't know and I don't care.

I just received a phone call from Finland,  from one of the world's top 
operators, expressing his concern, and of those  of his fellow countrymen (am 
I going to be on K6LA and K0HB's ridiculous  list, now, because I choose not 
to say who called?) conveying their equal  concern of the path that 
contesting is on, due to the ills perpetrated by  these outright cheaters.

A call I will mention is that of Al,  4L5A  / D4B who telephoned me the other 
morning, and even though this cheating was  paramount in his leaving 
contesting, Al still very much cares, knows it is  rampant, and fears for the 
future of contesting.  Does anyone care that  D4B left contesting, while on 
the very pinnacle of performance, because of  this?   I do.

We can all continue to shine it on, or do  something about it.  What can be 

1.  Permanent or 5  years no participation once DQed

2.  Set-up of wideband recording  receivers around the world.

3.  Submittal of tape recordings by  those wishing to compete for world 

4. On-site inspectors,  very much like WRTC.

5. Open up log checking and Committee decisions  beyond the hands of one or 

6. Turn off packet (THIS will never  happen; packet is too popular and many 
probably wouldn't know how to operate  without)

Just some senile ramblings from someone who's been there and  got a 

Jim Neiger   N6TJ   9Y4AA   ZD8Z

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