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Re: [CQ-Contest] Battle of the Cheaters

To: "Contest Reflector" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Battle of the Cheaters
From: "Vitor Luis Aidar dos Santos, PY2NY" <py2ny@arrl.net>
Reply-to: "Vitor Luis Aidar dos Santos, PY2NY" <py2ny@arrl.net>
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:56:24 -0200
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Nice sugestions. I will never be working at
first world position, but is really bad to know
about cheating up there... You need to know
that this kind of things are happening around
other positions, including first place each
country or continent...
Not good for the "big pilots" flying for
number 1 in the World, but for the little
pistols, like me, have another solution -
competing against ourselves... I am not
looking anymore to the classification, but
to myself, trying to be better each time
and doing more QSOs than before...
Anyway, for the contesting art health,
something need to be done and Jim ideas
are good, specially turning off packet, but
this is almost impossible hi hi
All the best - PY2NY
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Neiger" <n6tj@sbcglobal.net>
To: <k-zero-hb@earthlink.net>
Cc: "CQ-Contest@contesting. com" <CQ-Contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Battle of the Cheaters

> I've been having "private inquiries" from quite a few about this, and with
> some thoughtful suggestions and ideas and questions.
> I wasn't going to say much more about it, in a public domain, until I read
> this claptrap that Hans K0HB posted.
> Incredibly uninformed, and for K0HB and K6LA and others who ask:  there 
> are
> such things as libel, and slander, and defamation,  and I choose not to
> state here what I, and quite a few others know to be the truth.  It's
> amazing to me that so many are not aware that last year's CQ WW CW SO/AB 
> No.
> 1 claimed score was ultimately DQed, and with a minimal amount if interest
> and reading of what is available to 100% of the world to read, all could
> learn.
> Of course, for those who elect not to play in the ultimate arenas of
> competition, the interests are not the same, and it's certainly
> understandable that they will neither know, or care.  But it doesn't mean
> that the problem isn't very real.  I suppose if you don't invest thousands
> of $$, many hours of time for station work and travel, and choose to 
> compete
> for World top honors, you couldn't care less if your effort went down the
> drain because the winner didn't play by the rules.
> It's like the old QUESTION:  What's the difference between ignorance and
> apathy?  ANSWER:  I don't know and I don't care.
> I just received a phone call from Finland, from one of the world's top
> operators, expressing his concern, and of those of his fellow countrymen 
> (am
> I going to be on K6LA and K0HB's ridiculous list, now, because I choose 
> not
> to say who called?) conveying their equal concern of the path that
> contesting is on, due to the ills perpetrated by these outright cheaters.
> A call I will mention is that of Al,  4L5A / D4B who telephoned me the 
> other
> morning, and even though this cheating was paramount in his leaving
> contesting, Al still very much cares, knows it is rampant, and fears for 
> the
> future of contesting.  Does anyone care that D4B left contesting, while on
> the very pinnacle of performance, because of this?   I do.
> We can all continue to shine it on, or do something about it.  What can be
> done?
> 1.  Permanent or 5 years no participation once DQed
> 2.  Set-up of wideband recording receivers around the world.
> 3.  Submittal of tape recordings by those wishing to compete for world
> honors.
> 4. On-site inspectors, very much like WRTC.
> 5. Open up log checking and Committee decisions beyond the hands of one or
> two.
> 6. Turn off packet (THIS will never happen; packet is too popular and many
> probably wouldn't know how to operate without)
> Just some senile ramblings from someone who's been there and got a
> T-Shirt................
> Jim Neiger   N6TJ  9Y4AA   ZD8Z
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "K0HB " <k-zero-hb@earthlink.net>
> To: "CQ-Contest" <CQ-Contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Battle of the Cheaters
>> If you have proof submit it to the contest sponsor, instead of this
>> seventh-grade "look at me, I know a secret, and I might tell your mommy"
>> nonsense.
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB/4ID
>> --
>>><{{{{*> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~k0hb
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