In order to be realistic and to bring to the light the original post.. It was
refering to SO HP or as CQwW mentions "hi profile logs" Guys, I think is
working, look at the top 5 they all are proven operators and that one that
tried to cheat to the top was clearly discovered and DQ'd.. Its working..
Congrats to CQ log checking commitee.
Lets do what other sports do... If they are found cheating lets ban them for at
least 5 yrs and cancel all their country records.
So this means that clearly all top socring logs are being carefully
scrutinized, turning packet off is ridiculous..
so at least the multiplier cheating is taken care of.
And to quote Jim K1TN,
Operate without a proper license?... if they are not licensed I dont think
they are good operators at all
Arrange schedules before the contest?... NO one has even approached me to do
this.. dont think is a problem
Go to the SSB band and move multipliers to CW?.. whos got time for this?
Have a second operator to fill in time in the chair?... It may happen..crooks
often come in pairs.. no serious thread..
Run illegal power?.. this is a big one.. Being LP the class with most entries
and QRP with hard working guys. operators claiming LP and QRP is a big issue
because its a clear advantage that you cannot track. Also there are many HP
operations taking it to the next level as well.
Currently we have been working with the contest commitee on denouncing a local
operator that clearly is not runing the power advertised and blatantly taking
records from "real operations".. they are listening and we are trying to figure
out the way to make it public. lets concentrate on figuring this one out on hi
Use packet/telnet spots?... Big one but with a current working solution
Pad the log with made-up call signs?.. in order for this to work it has to be a
mayor concerted effort with others if they want it to work...... very traceable
and very easy to find due to area historicals...
This is not an exclusive commitee responsability, I think the more we talk
about it in the reflector the better for everyone, since cheaters will know
that operators around the world are willing to come forward, they know that
there is not going to be any recognition but shame... I think its working...
So I sincerely congratulate TJ for having the pair of "jones" needed to bring
it into the open.
----- Original Message -----
To: firstname.lastname@example.org ; email@example.com
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Battle of the Cheaters
At the start of this thread I too wondered who was the object of the
discussion. I just now went to the 3830 archives and figured it out. Then I
out the CQ magazine and noted the DQ notice at the very bottom of the
I also looked at his log, which is available at http://cqww.com/cwlogs/
Jim, what was the nature of the cheating? From the log I would guess it was
use of packet. Is that correct, or is there something else? (In the online
log the category is listed as "Assisted", which may have been done by the
I would make a suggestion to the CQWW Committee:
Post submitted logs online after the submission deadline, but in plenty of
time for examination by others who might then submit a complaint about
suspicious logs. That way anyone who believes they have been a victim of
could examine the logs, and register a complaint with the CQWW committee in
time for official investigation prior to the release of the final results.
the case of CQWW CW, post the logs somewhere around February 1.
When D4B got pissed off about cheating, logs were not available for
inspection. Having them now available after the results are out is a big step
forward, and having them available before the judging will be an even bigger
the fight against cheating (at least cheating of the packet usage kind).
73 - Jim K8MR
In a message dated 12/9/2007 6:18:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
I've been having "private inquiries" from quite a few about this, and with
some thoughtful suggestions and ideas and questions.
I wasn't going to say much more about it, in a public domain, until I read
this claptrap that Hans K0HB posted.
Incredibly uninformed, and for K0HB and K6LA and others who ask: there are
such things as libel, and slander, and defamation, and I choose not to
state here what I, and quite a few others know to be the truth. It's
amazing to me that so many are not aware that last year's CQ WW CW SO/AB No.
1 claimed score was ultimately DQed, and with a minimal amount if interest
and reading of what is available to 100% of the world to read, all could
Of course, for those who elect not to play in the ultimate arenas of
competition, the interests are not the same, and it's certainly
understandable that they will neither know, or care. But it doesn't mean
that the problem isn't very real. I suppose if you don't invest thousands
of $$, many hours of time for station work and travel, and choose to compete
for World top honors, you couldn't care less if your effort went down the
drain because the winner didn't play by the rules.
It's like the old QUESTION: What's the difference between ignorance and
apathy? ANSWER: I don't know and I don't care.
I just received a phone call from Finland, from one of the world's top
operators, expressing his concern, and of those of his fellow countrymen (am
I going to be on K6LA and K0HB's ridiculous list, now, because I choose not
to say who called?) conveying their equal concern of the path that
contesting is on, due to the ills perpetrated by these outright cheaters.
A call I will mention is that of Al, 4L5A / D4B who telephoned me the other
morning, and even though this cheating was paramount in his leaving
contesting, Al still very much cares, knows it is rampant, and fears for the
future of contesting. Does anyone care that D4B left contesting, while on
the very pinnacle of performance, because of this? I do.
We can all continue to shine it on, or do something about it. What can be
1. Permanent or 5 years no participation once DQed
2. Set-up of wideband recording receivers around the world.
3. Submittal of tape recordings by those wishing to compete for world
4. On-site inspectors, very much like WRTC.
5. Open up log checking and Committee decisions beyond the hands of one or
6. Turn off packet (THIS will never happen; packet is too popular and many
probably wouldn't know how to operate without)
Just some senile ramblings from someone who's been there and got a
Jim Neiger N6TJ 9Y4AA ZD8Z
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