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[CQ-Contest] Res: Battle of the Cheaters

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Subject: [CQ-Contest] Res: Battle of the Cheaters
From: "Renner, PY7RP" <py7rp@yahoo.com.br>
Reply-to: "Renner, PY7RP" <py7rp@yahoo.com.br>
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:16:26 -0800 (PST)
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Hello guys,

This is my first message to the list.
I have been seeing all the coments about this topic 
and here goes my personal point of view:

First of all:

If you wanna compete, ham radio is not the best way
to do it at all...

Some days ago i read an article posted on arrl.org
written by N6XI about ham radio contesting...
( http://rtavan.googlepages.com/radiocontesting )

This is a part of the article, that exposes the way i think:

"  Finally, I need to confess the deep, dark, secret shame of radio contesting 
as a "sport."  There is no "level playing field."  Because of the physics of 
radio signal propagation and the demographics of the world, competitors in some 
locations can have a huge advantage over those elsewhere.  A degree of skill 
and effort that makes 1000 contacts from California might well result in 4000 
contacts from an identically equipped station on a Caribbean island.  Simple 
rule changes can not "fix" this.   "

Besides these facts, there is also the point discussed on the list:
"are all these stations playing fairly?" ... answer: who knows?!

So... first of all... contest is a personal competition,
on which you are the only one competitor besides yourself.

Second, contest is fun. Ham radio is a hobby,
there is not how to measure and make it real fair...
Even on WRTC events if you think accurately...

73 Renner
P Y 7 R P

----- Mensagem original ----
De: Pete Smith <n4zr@contesting.com>
Para: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Cc: "CQ-Contest@contesting. com" <CQ-Contest@contesting.com>
Enviadas: Domingo, 9 de Dezembro de 2007 18:19:01
Assunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] Battle of the Cheaters

Like cops with radar, I think half the battle is intimidating the guys who 
would like to cheat but don't want to risk getting caught.

73, Pete N4ZR

At 03:06 PM 12/9/2007, David Gilbert wrote:

>Hi, Pete.
>I'm not really knowledgeable on software-defined radio, but I think you 
>can accomplish the same thing quite cheaply (less than $30 or so?) with an 
>SDR front end like the Softrock and the free PowerSDR software.  With a 
>decent sound card you can supposedly record up to 192 KHz bandwidth in 
>real time to your computer and analyze any portion of it later just by 
>tuning through it with PowerSDR.  The price is right for there to be a LOT 
>of such monitors out there.
>Probably a log checker's nightmare, though.  Think of all the extra work 
>that might bring them, both in terms of expanding their own review options 
>and in terms of all the "help" they might get from other folks perusing 
>dozens or hundreds of recorded files after they get posted to the internet.
>It would sure make contest behavior (both good and bad) more transparent, 
>Dave  AB7E
>Pete Smith wrote:
>>The heck of it is, all of these steps are readily do-able (except the 
>>on-site referees).
>>There is a device called the Time Machine 
>>(www.expandedspectrumsystems.com), which can record an 80 KHz swath of 
>>any HF band, and costs only about $175.  Station a dozen of those around 
>>the world, recording on VHS tape, with good receivers and omni antennas, 
>>and you can go back to any point in the contest to check what was going 
>>on at any frequency.
>>A recording, whether on tape or on computer disk, isn't an unreasonable 
>>requirement from anyone with a claimed top-ten score in any major category.
>>Contest sponsors should publicly announce that they will apply and 
>>enforce the sort of analysis that K1TTT has been doing publicly for 
>>years.  If falsified spots turn up, clearly to the benefit of a given 
>>station, that station owner should be asked to explain, and if the 
>>explanation doesn't hold water, he should be DQ'ed.
>>The key to confronting the cheaters is to do it publicly and 
>>transparently, with stiff penalties.
>>73, Pete N4ZR

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