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Re: [CQ-Contest] cheating with packet - RD3A case

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cheating with packet - RD3A case
From: Tõnno Vähk <Tonno.Vahk@gildbankers.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:28:14 +0200
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If a station is using packet and getting meaningful addition to his mult count 
from it then it is also detectable from the log and he can be disqualified. You 
can jump around in frequencies or do whatever you want, if you keep hitting 
lately spotted mults too often it becomes suspicious, if you start hitting it 
them all the time it becomes clear. For SOAB later into the contest (like last 
12 hours), once you cheat already, it becomes very difficult to adhere to well 
planned cheating strategy and you start to hit the spots too often or all the 
time. Let the following story be a good example. I have posted this to a 
private reflector what I was strongly asked to post it also to CQ Contest and 
thus I do it. RD3A (RD3AF) is a known packet cheater in EU and so far has not 
been disqualifed yet. It is a great sorrow and pity that an operator of that 
great skills and potential and huge station is spoiling its reputation and 
future by platantly cheating with cluster. It is a great pity that this has 
been so widespread in EU and espcially former socialist block of EU but by 
bringing those issues up we will clean the mess and make contesting a better 
place. I agree to most Jim (N6TJ) is saying and at the same time urge hime and 
the others to bring evidence to light and put more peer pressure on the 
cheaters until CQ Committee will take appropriate action. Trying to lead the 
way here is my letter about RD3A analysis to another relfector a month ago 
(this is ES5TV, 73):

I have looked at the logs of CQWW CW 2006 EU top 10 SOAB HP stations. It looks 
like that:
CU2A    6208    155     519
LZ9W    4608    139     474
G4BUO   3718    144     495
TM6X    3539    150     471
S5ØA    3510    160     483
RD3A    3978    164     555
ES5RR   4302    143     477
GD6IA   3904    132     453
TK5EP   4259    118     407
DL3YM   3449    141     439
I compared the worked S&P QSOs and worked S&P MULTS against the cluster spots 
in the last 20 minutes before the QSO. S&P QSOs are determined as QSOs that 
were on different frequency compared to previous and next QSO. That means I 
could only do it with logs that had exact frequencies of QSOs.
Let's look at CU2A, RD3A, ES5RR and OH8X (latter being out of top 10 but in our 
CU2A worked 134 S&P QSOs and 116 of those were new multipliers.
RD3A worked 515 S&P QSOs and 209 of those were new multipliers.
ES5RR worked 470 S&P QSOs and 166 of those were new multipliers.
OH8X worked 558 S&P QSOs and 249 of those were new multipliers.
Now lets look at how big precentage of the worked multipliers had a recent 
cluster spot on that frequency and I separate here the periods into 48 hours, 
last 24 hours of the contest and last 12 hours of the contest.
all 48h: 38.8% (38.8% of the mults CU2A worked in the contest as Search and 
Pounce QSOs had been spotted on that frequency within 20 minutes before the QSO)
last 24h: 37.5%
last 12h: 43.5%
all 48h: 74.6%
last 24h: 85.6%
last 12h: 97.9%
all 48h: 27.1%
last 24h: 19.6%
last 12h: 27.3%
all 48h: 44.2%
last 24h: 40.8%
last 12h: 45.5%
So RD3A worked 48 new multipliers in the last 12 hours of the contest and 47 
(!!) of them were recently spotted (within 20 minutes). Out of the 209 mults 
that he worked in the contest 156 were recently spotted. That is way more than 
any average non-assisted station and is a definite sign of using packet 
It is logical that by the end of the contest operator gets more tired and does 
not hide cheating any more and starts to jump from spot to spot.
Also, RD3A is using just one radio. No SO2R - he is S&Ping with one radio 
between CQ-s. And even though he has by far the best multiplier count of all 
the SOAB stations!
I have more proof for that from his log if necessary and I am very sure in this.
What do you think people of that? I say that he is really lucky that he was not 
disqualified from CQWW 2006 but I am sure it will happen sooner or later. We 
have seen those outrageous mult totals in other contests and unfortunately 
after looking at this log it all became clear.
Maybe RD3A wants to explain why he forgot to claim ASSISTED?

p.s. after this letter I was asked if 20 minutes is a good criteria and I took 
out statistics about 5 minutes also (altough cheaters tend to wait 5-10 minutes 
at least to hit a spot) and I accompanied it also with statistics about moving 
mults which are quite selfevident:


TV> Anyway, 5 minutes stats are still quite convincing:

TV> all 48h: 10.8%
TV> last 24h: 7.1%
TV> last 12h: 13.6%

TV> all 48h: 33.0%
TV> last 24h: 39.4%
TV> last 12h: 41.7%

TV> 73


Guess how many mults did RD3A get with asked QSYs! 0 (ZERO!!) 

QSYing mults in CQWW CW 2006:

RD3A: 0 
ES5RR: 18 
CU2A: 40 


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Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:50 PM
To: hank k8dd; wc1m@msn.com
Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cheating with packet

Exactly! How would you prove you WEREN'T using packet? If we knew what the log 
checkers were looking for then we could avoid that behavior, but then the 
cheaters would know too. The whole deal kind of scares me. Potentially you 
could lose a whole weekend, a top score, and your reputation all in one shot. 
73 Steve K0SR

n and press F4 to send my call and it puts the call in
>the band map.
>Try a couple of times and don't work him - the call remains marked as
>the unworked color.
>Tune up ..... find a station .... press F4 .... goes in the bandmap
>.... work him and the band map changes the call to worked color.
>I continue up the band working some and some not.
>At some point I go back to the unworked stations in a random order,
>picking and choosing.
>Now will the log will look like I'm chasing spots (were they spotted?
>- I don't know). I tend to do that a lot .....
>Will that look like I'm cheating?
>But then I'm not a top ten contender .... at least not from MI.
>73 Hank K8DD
>On Dec 10, 2007 12:53 PM, Dick Green WC1M <wc1m@msn.com> wrote:
>> I don't want to give cheaters any ideas,
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