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Re: [CQ-Contest] cheating with packet - RD3A case

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cheating with packet - RD3A case
From: Tõnno Vähk <Tonno.Vahk@gildbankers.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:55:07 +0200
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I did a lot of manual work with Excel and unfortunately have not had time yet 
to go through several interesting monoband logs for example due to the time it 

To determine what stations are new mults I used WinTest to mark the mults, 
imported the logs into Excel..too much details to describe here. Can explain 
you in private if you want.

Anyway, this is too much handwork. We are developing much more automated 
software now and those things will be soon much easier to produce. Still for 
final check I believe you always need to have an experienced contester looking 
over the results and suspicious log. If you have run SOAB Un-assisted before 
then you know that when the 20m band is wide open with strong local signals it 
is impossible to stop you run and suddenly work 3-4 new mults on the same band 
on completely different parts of the band within 2 minutes for example. This is 
just completely unhuman, especially if you are SO1R and when all those mults 
have been recently spotted:)

For that matter I fully agree that it would be extremely good to have all logs 
open right after the deadline for everyone's inspection. I guess it does only 
good by first disciplinizing participants and secondly helping Committee to 
locate suspicious ones.

Also, I support Scott's idea about recordings. If not required then it would be 
good to collect the recordings from top stations and recommend strongly to 
upload those. Those should also be publicly available the same as logs (of 
course Committee is not gonna listen to all of them:)! The same with web cams, 
why not. If majority of the top stations adhere to those recommendations that 
would be really great and demonstrate the fair play in the top and be a great 
role model for others.

Another thing is to require logging exact frequencies in CQWW. Should be 
obligatory for top logs.

It would be really interesting to have a referee at all the top stations one 
year and see what the scores will look like then but this is just a dream now I 
guess but still if we get most of the other things above done then we have 
already made contesting a much better and much more enjoyable place.


-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com 
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Laurent Ferracci
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:19 PM
To: CQ Contest
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cheating with packet - RD3A case

Tõnno Vähk a écrit :

> I compared the worked S&P QSOs and worked S&P MULTS against the cluster spots 
> in the last 20 minutes before the QSO. 

Hi Tonno,

I would be interested in knowing how you did, in details, to produce 
this interesting report. Do you do that by hand (ex: To determine wether 
a single QSO is a new mult, to compare with a spots database..), have 
you developped some "tools", do you have some useful hints ?

It would be nice if we could all run such tests ourself.

Laurent Ferracci, F1JKJ
Blog radio: http://www.ferracci.org

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