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Re: [CQ-Contest] Recording your CQ WW CW contest

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Recording your CQ WW CW contest
From: "David Robbins K1TTT" <k1ttt@arrl.net>
Reply-to: k1ttt@arrl.net
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:42:07 +0000
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The point is, I didn't expect to win anything!  So should we disappoint a
new or casual op who happens to sit in the chair long enough to win
something by disqualifying him for not making an audio recording?  I see
that as a big turnoff for attracting new contesters, you are requiring a
commitment in advance, just like you would be if you required an on-site
judge, or registering before starting operating... those are not things that
someone turning on the radio and operating for fun would like to hear when
he finds out he was dq'ed.

David Robbins K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
web: http://www.k1ttt.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
> bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Scott Robbins
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 14:14
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Recording your CQ WW CW contest
> K1TTT:
> >Mid June sometimes I turn on 6m and find a contest going on, so I pass
> out a
> >few points.  Then it starts to rain and I stay on and play some on 2m and
> >70cm.  I send a log in and get a certificate.  I didn't mean to, but I
> >accidentally became a 'serious' entrant.  Should I be denied a
> certificate
> >because I didn't record the whole contest?
> Perhaps.  Just like you have to log, you have to record if you expect to
> win.
> It is not at all unreasonable.  What we're talking about here is a mindset
> shift, not unlike when the contest community switched from paper logging
> to
> computer based logging.  The next logical step in the digital age is
> recording.
> W4TV:
> >So what?  WRTC is a limited event with a limited number of
> >competing stations.  To require everyone who HOPES he might
> >have a chance to win to record all 48 hours or to DENY anyone
> >who might be lucky enough to surpass his own expectations
> >and actually WIN the "title" because he didn't record all
> >48 hours (or heaven forbid, had a recording failure) is
> >asinine.
> I would venture at the top end of SOABHP radio contesting, that you are
> discussing a limited event with a limited number of stations as well.
> There
> are not 100 people vying for the top 10 in any category of any major
> contest.
> There are surely *100 entrants*, and I would say 95% or 98% of all of them
> have
> no reason to record themselves operating the contest.
> Recording should be right up there with logging.  If you didn't log it,
> you
> didn't work it.  If you didn't record it, you didn't work it.  Very
> simple.
> >Contest sponsors and log checkers can properly review the logs
> >of the top stations without either recordings or making the
> >logs public.  If they can't they might as well cancel the
> >whole contest because they don't have any business sponsoring
> >the event.
> That is apparently incorrect on its face.  Because if contest sponsors and
> log
> checkers COULD properly review the logs without recordings and determine
> who is
> legit and who is not, we wouldn't be having this discussion about
> cheating,
> would we?
> W0MU:
> >So now I have to record an entire contest somehow and if by chance my
> hard
> >drive crashes on the way back to the USA my score does not count....
> That is correct.  Just like if you have no log, with no recording you have
> no
> entry.  Logs are backed up to floppies or by other means when operating
> the
> contest, recordings can be as well.
> >This is 21st century....  What tape you are talking about. Get yourself
> >cheap MP3 player with line input and 1-2Gig of memory and you can easily
> >record 48 hours 2 radio and get file transferred to you home PC for later
> >use.
> Like I said ... SIMPLE.
> Scott Robbins, W4PA
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