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Re: [CQ-Contest] cheating with packet

To: "Yuri VE3DZ" <ve3dz@rigexpert.net>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cheating with packet
From: "Russell Hill" <rustyhill@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:07:29 -0000
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
Question:  If a single operator has a friend in the shack trolling the bands 
looking for mults, and when the friend passes him a call and freq he shifts 
to that freq and works the station found by his friend, does that "single 
operator" retain his status as SO?

If having a second operator in the shack takes one out of the SO Category, 
why does having the 2nd, and 3rd, and 4th etc operator at the other end of 
an internet connection change anything?  What is the difference?  If one is 
assistance, is not the other?

73, Rusty, na5tr

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yuri VE3DZ" <ve3dz@rigexpert.net>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cheating with packet

> LY3BA:"As I can see you and some others mixing up two very different 
> things.
> For me is absolutelly clear - ASSISTED means that you are not SINGLE
> OPERATOR ("just a boy and his radios"., as K0HB said), you getting huge
> support from hundreds operators around."
> Gedas, IMO you are totally wrong. When you are Assisted you _MAY_  (or you
> MAY NOT, when you don't want) use spotting assistance from DX Cluster (not
> from physical human). And you still remain just one "guy with his radio".
> MULTI OP  means that there are more than one "guy" operating. In this 
> calss
> "one guy" may run and the other "guy" may use huge
> support from hundreds operators around" to work multipliers.
> I see a huge difference here.
> Sounds like when Multi Op stations use DX Clusters - it's sort of O.K. But
> when Single Op uses cluster it's kind of shameful...
> What if a guy would work a multiplier not after 5 minutes after spot, but
> after, let say 22 minutes after the DX was spotted? Would it necessarily
> mean that actual guy found it on his own?
> I don't think so.
> What time fram do you think we need to establish to mark that actual a guy 
> a
> packet cheater? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? 20 minutes?
> "Real guys don't use no stinky clusters..." :-))
> When I was at ZF2NT in the ARRL DX 2003, we did not need not only DX
> cluster, but even a second rig ( we won M/S category). It was just run, 
> run,
> run... I believe same situation is when you operate for instance from ZD8,
> P4 or 8P...
> Don't get me wrong. I am not offering to get rid of un-assisted category
> anymore, since a lot of (old) guys still want to be on their own with 
> their
> radios. All I'm saying is maybe we should pay more attention to assisted
> categories (awards, recognition), and that might reduce DX Cluster 
> cheating
> in some way.
> 73 Yuri  VE3DZ
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