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Re: [CQ-Contest] not logging dupes is wrong

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] not logging dupes is wrong
From: Julius Fazekas <phriendly1@yahoo.com>
Reply-to: phriendly1@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:33:35 -0800 (PST)
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I hear N3WN a lot *chuckles*

Kinda expect higher dupes on 160, noise, brainfry, boredom or you're the only 
station they can still hear...

Julius Fazekas
N2WN

Tennessee Contest Group
TnQP http://www.tnqp.org/

Elecraft K2/100 #3311
Elecraft K2/100 #4455
Elecraft K3/100 #366


--- On Wed, 12/10/08, Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] not logging dupes is wrong
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 5:08 PM
> Or W3WH, W3WC, and W3WN (as happened last weekend), let
> alone W3WN and N2WN
> and other call combinations that are VERY similar.
> 
> Work now, dupe sheet later!
> 
> 73
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of
> Julius Fazekas
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:05 PM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com; kr2q@optimum.net
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] not logging dupes is wrong
> 
> 
> I'll second that!
> 
> Particularly when both N2WM and N2WK are playing in the
> same event. Several
> times during ARRL 160 two of us were in the same place at
> the same time this
> past weekend.
> 
> At least once, we had back to back QSOs with one station in
> a very nasty
> pileup. Hopefully he didn't start scratchy his head
> thinking one was an
> "insurance" QSO and the other was a dupe.
> 
> I log every "dupe", unless the contest has a
> penalty for dupes, then I might
> hesitate.
> 
> I find "QSO B4" and the ensuing confusion breaks
> my running rhythm, and I
> sure don't need any help in that area ;o)
> 
> 73,
> Julius
> 
> Julius Fazekas
> N2WN
> 
> Tennessee Contest Group
> TnQP http://www.tnqp.org/
> 
> Elecraft K2/100 #3311
> Elecraft K2/100 #4455
> Elecraft K3/100 #366
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 12/10/08, kr2q@optimum.net
> <kr2q@optimum.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: kr2q@optimum.net <kr2q@optimum.net>
> > Subject: [CQ-Contest] not logging dupes is wrong
> > To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> > Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 10:33 AM
> > Disclaimer:  these are my thoughts and should not be
> > construed to represent any opinion
> > or "ruling" by any contest committee with
> which I
> > am associated.
> >
> > Jukka said that he does not log dupes and feels good
> about
> > it because he set up an
> > "agreement" with the other guy that he will
> > remove the "first" dupe from his log.
> >
> > I think that this is wrong in most cases.
> >
> > If you log K2AA at 0800z and then K2AA calls you again
> at
> > (say) 1000z, you say that you
> > will log him again at 1000z but only after telling him
> that
> > you are removing K2AA from your
> > log at 0800z.  Well, what if the "first" QSO
> with
> > K2AA was actually with N2AA or K3AA or
> > K2AAK, etc?  YOU made the error in YOUR log, but by
> > removing the "first dupe," you are
> > penalizing the other guy (who will now get a NIL).
> >
> > If the other guy checks his log at 0800 and finds
> OH7LI,
> > then you can agree.  But what if
> > he says, "I don't have anytthing close to
> your
> > call in my log at that time" or if he says,
> > "I first turned on the radio just 15 minutes
> > ago?"  Or what if he doesn't say anything?
> >
> > Removing QSO's from logs is potentially dangerous
> and I
> > would not do it.  I do think that
> > it is "nice" and "courteous" to
> tell
> > the guy that he is a dupe and give him the time so
> that
> > he can check his log to see if he copied your call
> wrong.
> > But if he does and says, "no dupe,"
> > then you have to work him "again" and you
> should
> > not remove the 1st QSO, even if it
> > shows "dupe" in your log.
> >
> > de Doug KR2Q
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