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Re: [CQ-Contest] Improving the Fabulous CQ 160 Contest

To: tod@k0to.us, cq-contest@contesting.com, Jimk8mr@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Improving the Fabulous CQ 160 Contest
From: Julius Fazekas <phriendly1@yahoo.com>
Reply-to: phriendly1@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:11:18 -0800 (PST)
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If someone in the US doesn't know their grid, couldn't they just send there Zip 

Julius Fazekas

Tennessee Contest Group
TnQP http://www.tnqp.org/

Elecraft K2/100 #4455
Elecraft K3/100 #366

--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Jimk8mr@aol.com <Jimk8mr@aol.com> wrote:

> From: Jimk8mr@aol.com <Jimk8mr@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Improving the Fabulous CQ 160 Contest
> To: tod@k0to.us, cq-contest@contesting.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 4:59 PM
> I enjoy the Stew Perry in part because of the grid square
> exchange.  I  like 
> to dream that I am working all those cool grids on six
> meters, even though  
> it's really on 160.
> Tod is onto a good idea of a default "I don't know
> my grid" entry, but I  
> think it should be put in the log by the serious guy.  If a
> little guy  knows 
> from the rules to send "AA11", he very likely to
> know, or to learn, what  his 
> grid square is.
> Especially on SSB, there would be a lot of "what's
> your  QTH?" probing to get 
> a proper grid square from an unknowing  person. (After all,
> he could be a new 
> mult.)  If all failed, then "AA11"  could be
> entered as an "I worked this 
> guy, but he was clueless" entry.  If  a lazy big gun
> logged a weak guy as "AA11" 
> and the guy sent in a log showing  otherwise, then the big
> gun would lose the 
> qso, maybe with a modest  penalty.
> The meaningless RST could be dropped to keep the exchange
> to two items -  the 
> Grid Square and S/P/or CQ Zone.  K8MR sends  EN91 OH;  
> PJ2T sends FK62 09.
> It would be further cool to have the CQ computers score the
> contest in  
> several ways.  The traditional way; a Stew Perry pure
> distance way; a  combination 
> of the two, with multipliers (whatever they might be) and
> qso points  
> determined by distance. So there might be several winners,
> or maybe even the  same guy 
> winning under all scoring systems.
> Lots of interesting ways to do this, if the Not Invented
> Here syndrome of  
> other CQ contests can be avoided.
> 73  -  Jim   K8MR
> In a message dated 1/7/2009 4:32:24 P.M. Eastern Standard
> Time, tod@k0to.us  
> writes:
> It has  been said that "plagiarism is the sincerest
> form of flattery". 
> I am in  agreement with the thought that it would not be
> appropriate to
> "imitate"  the Stew Perry Contest. However, it
> might be appropriate to
> incorporate a  key feature of that contest -- the grid
> square as a part of
> the exchange --  in a revised CQ 160 Contest.
> Tom's ,VE3CX, comments about considering  the
> effect/challenge for casual
> operators who participate in the CQ 160  certainly deserves
> consideration. I
> can imagine that the revised exchange  would become
> "59(9), Section {or DX
> entity) and  Grid-Square. If one  did not know their grid
> square they could
> send AA11 as the grid square and  the scoring could simply
> allocate the
> minimum amount of points to that  particular QSO.
> [Section/DX Multipliers
> would be multiplied times the QSO  point total]
> The interesting thing with including both the Section and 
> the Grid-Square is
> that there will continue to be motivation to make a 
> "sweep" as well as
> motivation to work hard to get the distant Grid-Squares 
> for QSO point
> increases.
> Since there is no multiplier for QRP/Low  Power and there
> would be a
> multiplier for number of Sections/DX worked, the  proposed
> "NEW CQ 160 would
> hardly be considered to be 'cheapening' the Stew 
> Perry. At the same time,
> persons participating in order to achieve WAS or  capture
> DX entities would
> have that information from the exchange as  opposed to a
> somewhat arcane grid
> location.
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