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Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW CW & 6Y1V Logs

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW CW & 6Y1V Logs
From: "Dick-w0raa" <w0raa@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:48:49 -0700
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Didn't we beat this "You can't see my log" crap to death a while back?  It's 
rediculous.  What in the heck is he hiding?  Maybe he's a terrorist and a 
599 means something special to his terrorist buddies.  C'mon guys, let's get 
on with our lives and if somebody doesn't want anybody to see his/her log, 
so what?  It's like keeping your strategy a big secret.  Who really cares?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu@w0mu.com>
To: "'David Kopacz'" <david.kopacz@aspwebhosting.com>; 
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW CW & 6Y1V Logs

> So does this mean that 6Y1V will be DQed as the rules read that electric
> logs are required for high scoring entrants or did 6Y1V just not submit
> anything to CQ?
> If there is nothing to hide and you stand behind your score then what do 
> you
> have to worry about?
> I can see why some would not want other to see their logs as it 
> potentially
> could expose a strategy that others may not be on to aside from any
> nefarious activities.
> I guess if you are not intending to follow the rules then don't operate or
> don't submit your logs for consideration of winning an award.
> Mike W0MU
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of David Kopacz
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:54 PM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] CQWW CW & 6Y1V Logs
> 6Y1V did not submit its log to CQ Magazine for the CQWW CW contest in 
> 2008.
> I personally thank my guest operators Kelly VE4XT and Gary W5ZL for 
> granting
> me the flexibility to make this decision. I want to stress that my 
> opinions
> below are my own, not theirs. They neither condoned nor condemn my action;
> they simply agreed to provide me the latitude to make the decision without
> prejudice. For this alone, they are to be commended. In addition, they are
> both fine gentlemen and fantastic operators.
> I am not in agreement with the CQWW committee's decision to publish logs
> without the implicit consent of the log owner simply to quell a fear of
> cheating, real or perceived. Note that I do think quell is a highly
> appropriate term here. If cheating is suspected, it should be dealt with
> privately and quietly between the committee and the accused. If outside
> assistance is needed to review logs, it should be solicited privately by 
> the
> committee. If someone is found to be cheating, then making that knowledge
> public should be done at the discretion of the committee, but based upon
> firm rules applied equally to all.
> While I understand the new policy's intent, the results may be akin to a
> public flogging in a town square. It's likely that eventually someone will
> be accused of cheating when they are truly not guilty. The accusation will
> most likely come from someone other than the contest committee. Imagine if
> the contest committee doesn't make the painstaking effort necessary to
> thoroughly review the  log of the accused in order to publicly exonerate
> him/her.
> The perception of being accused alone will leave lasting scars for the
> innocent contester as most competitors will not independently research the
> facts themselves in order to exonerate the accused; thereby leaving the
> impression the accuser is correct.
> Our society has moved beyond this method of social restraint, so why is
> amateur radio contesting moving in the opposite direction?
> In my opinion, in a hobby where the stakes are so low, there is no 
> monetary
> reward and most of us do this just for fun, the idea of forcing people to
> open their personal logs for worldwide inspection is not only ludicrous 
> but
> it is downright shameful. The contest committees might as well just be
> saying "We don't trust our fellow amateurs". For a hobby founded on
> International brotherhood and goodwill, this is a very sad time.
> Since I did not have an opportunity to express my opinion during the
> decision making process, my only recourse is to publicly object and not 
> turn
> in my logs. Some have suggested I shouldn't participate at all. Why should 
> I
> stop having fun just to make my point? Besides, if a few dozen 
> participants
> with large logs stop sending them, it just may have a significant impact
> upon the log checking process and eventually the committee may see that 
> not
> only is this decision unpopular but it has consequences as well.
> While opening my log to anyone that asks is really no big deal, having the
> right to decide to whom and when I open it is a big deal. I choose to open
> my logs to the contest committee, but I choose not to open them to the
> world. In addition, I choose not to enable a system that assumes guilt
> before innocence.
> David ~ KY1V
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