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Re: [CQ-Contest] Contest Exchange

To: "'Igor Sokolov'" <ua9cdc@gmail.com>, <n4zr@contesting.com>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Contest Exchange
From: "Rick Lindquist, WW3DE" <ww3de@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:34:59 -0500
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My *preference* when concluding one contact and moving on to the next
(especially in the unlikely situation [for me] that I have multiple callers)
would be to send "TU QRZ." That way, if you just "happened" upon me, you'd
know I was soliciting calls, and those who were waiting would know to go
ahead. As I said, though, simply sending "TU WW3DE" also works. 

My point is to avoid appending "TEST" onto the end of either a CQ or when
you solicit additional contacts from the same CQ. If you feel you MUST send
"TEST" at the end of anything, and you're sending via the computer logger,
speeding up the "TEST" part seems to make good sense, as W5GN has suggested.
My reasoning here, again, is not to have my "TEST" step on the calling
stations, who nearly always seem to start calling immediately after either
"QRZ" or "WW3DE" in these situations.

This said, I do not intend to engage in an endless debate on the "right" or
"wrong" of my suggestions or others. Use whatever works for you. I have
contributed my $0.02 to the conversation.

Thanks & 73, Rick / WW3DE

-----Original Message-----
From: Igor Sokolov [mailto:ua9cdc@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:04 PM
To: Rick Lindquist, WW3DE; n4zr@contesting.com; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Contest Exchange

> 1. TEST (or CQ) TEST WW3DE WW3DE [Avoid the inclination to add "TEST" 
> here,
> since stations will start answering you after you send your call sign 
> twice;
> besides, they already know you're calling CQ in the contest]

Suppose I came up on your frequency after you had already sent the word 
TEST. What I hear is just your call sign. How do I know whether you are 
calling CQ or just calling someone. I think TEST after the call sign is more

> 2. W8EXK
> 3. W8EXK 599 DE
> 4. TU 599 WV
> 5. TU QRZ [I might add "WW3DE" here or send my call sign instead of "QRZ,"
> but avoid appending "TEST." See above.]

IMHO QRZ? is redundant. When you are sure there is someone else waiting for 
you, who already knows your call, just sent TU or TU + your call. If nobody 
comes back then send your call (once or twice, depending on the rate) + 
When you send QRZ anyone who came up on frequency during the above QSO does 
not know who you are. and have to wait till your next call+test sequence 
(more impatient one will send ?). If you do not want them to immediately 
know your call (for  pile up management reasons) just sent TU. If pile up is

thin then just add your call to TU. That will allow you to work the next one

in the queue and stop some passer by who will be able to check if he needs 

73, Igor UA9CDC

> I hope this is more clear.
> 73, Rick / WW3DE
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Lindquist, WW3DE [mailto:ww3de@comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:35 AM
> To: Igor Sokolov
> Cc: <n4zr@contesting.com>; <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Contest Exchange
> Well, as long as everyone is chiming in:  The very last thing I want to 
> hear
> in a transmission from a station soliciting contacts in any way, shape or
> form is that station's call sign. Broke my own rule during the CQ 160 this
> past weekend, but I didn't want to take the time to edit the macro. End 
> with
> "test" and stations will jump in after they hear your call sign, and 
> you'll
> almost always (well, I will) miss the calling station's ID.
> Enjoyed handing out a few DE Qs, but even better was working DE myself! I
> worked two DC stations before finally working my own state.
> 73, Rick / WW3DE
> Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 0:07, "Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Pete and all,
>> Being on the S&P side I would rather hear
>> N4ZR N4ZR test
>> instead of
>> For me  to know your call sign is more important then the word TEST given
>> twice :)
>> And please please no /QRP  This is not part of the call.
>> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Pete Smith" <n4zr@contesting.com>
>> To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 3:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Contest Exchange
>>> I'm a sucker for a good hypothetical, Joe.
>>> Here's how I think it should go:
>>> P5AL
>>> P5AL 5NN WV
>>> TU 5NN 100
>>> TU N4ZR
>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>> The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at
>>> www.conteststations.com
>>> The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at
>>> reversebeacon.blogspot.com,
>>> spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000
>>> On 2/1/2011 10:36 AM, Joe wrote:
>>>> This was lightly touched on a while ago. But today it got me to
>>>> thinking.  What is the best exchange out there?
>>>> I mean  really, what now days do you expect to hear so you can maximize
>>>> your ability to copy the information, and make max QSO rates?
>>>> I remember the conversation here about none of the not needed "Thank
>>>> You"  or "Please Copy" stuff on Phone.
>>>> And I remember in the 70's on CW the BK was sent at the end of every
>>>> transmission to let the other station know it's being turned over to
>>>> them now.
>>>> Like sent in CW  "K9XYZ UR 5NN WI BK"
>>>> I can't remember the last time I heard a BK,
>>>> Or like in Field Day as an example in the 70's again,  Like the end of 
>>>> a
>>>> contact would have been something like
>>>> I know nothing like this happens anymore.
>>>> So  say with the up coming ARRL CW DX Contest,  the exchange is,
>>>> W/VE: RST + (state/province)
>>>> non-W/VE: RST + power
>>>> Whats everyone thoughts of what you would wish everyone would use as a
>>>> format on a typical QSO?
>>>> I'm curious to see the possible wide variances of what people would 
>>>> like
>>>> to hear.
>>>> Joe WB9SBD
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