I'm a day behind in this thread, so if this has already been brought up...
Mike, you wrote: "Cheaters get exposed most of the time. If you are in
Europe how do I know you are in Italy or France? There is nothing
stopping anyone from obtaining multiple callsigns and using them. In
fact, I received cards for J6M 2 minutes apart from the same guy using
called from two different EU countries. I alerted both CQ and ARRL to
this and it is theirs to deal with."
I fail to see any problem with this which required any "alerting". Was
this station running a pair of remote stations in two different
countries, properly licensed in each country?
What issue am I overlooking?
73 de Bob - KØRC in MN (operator & station)
On 4/12/2012 11:09 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
> Someone had to build a station, setup antennas, get them to work and
> keep them working.
> Anyone can win a certificate in any contest by simply picking the right
> class to enter. Sure there are places you can go that you can set up
> minimal antennas and radios and do very well. So what? How does
> remote operation change that.
> If someone wants to setup 10 remote stations and split their time so be
> it. It offers me the opportunity to work 9 new stations from a mult
> that might not be available otherwise. I am having FUN and so is the
> other guy.
> I am not sure what you are beating around the bush about. I suspect
> cheating and we have a tough time with that anyway. How does CQ know
> that W0MU was operating W0MU and not some other guy? They don't.
> People cheat and will always cheat. Cheaters get exposed most of the
> time. If you are in Europe how do I know you are in Italy or France?
> There is nothing stopping anyone from obtaining multiple callsigns and
> using them. In fact, I received cards for J6M 2 minutes apart from the
> same guy using called from two different EU countries. I alerted both
> CQ and ARRL to this and it is theirs to deal with.
> How the other countries handle this is their business. If they deem it
> ok then who are we to question them?
> Change is good folks...It moved us from spark gap transmitters to what
> we have today.
> Most times you would never know if the guy you are working is remote or
> not. So why does it matter? What assurances do you have today that the
> guy you are working is where he says he is? None. There are all sorts
> of stories about dx peditions especially to the Caribbean that never
> took place from the place they claimed. Some were caught others were not.
> This is a hobby. If remote operations make it more fun for people and
> create more activity I am for it.
> Mike W0MU
> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net
> On 4/12/2012 8:21 AM, email@example.com wrote:
>> Hans, K0HB, "Just a boy and his (friends) radio" wrote:
>>> Clearly stated, the STATION licensee.
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>> "Just a boy and his radio"
>> One day T. Arcala FT1000 (station) went to Azores Dept. of radio licenses
>> and got (bought?) him (her)self station licenses and managed to win contest
>> without having boy at the station. He even got precious certificate to prove
>> The point is that some of the loud arguers argument that remoteering is just
>> extending the headphones and mike "wires" is not so simple. How do the
>> licensing authorities look at situation when station in their country is
>> operated by someone whoknowswhere? Possible solution signing CQ8X/OH2UA/r?
>> Now the technology allows boy to have part of his radios all over the world
>> and to pretend being there - single op - split? Time for new category?
>> That would make too much sense. Why bother when ham radio logic is happy
>> with skewed scoring system in the world's wide biggest contest, hired guns
>> are single op and skimmer is a person-assistant, 3QSO "penalty". Instead of
>> listening to top contester's opinions, the chatter of (internet) loud
>> opinions sets the course and contest radio governments cast the rules in
>> Technology is progressing and bringing new dimensions to our hobby/sport, we
>> should carefully consider the implications and adjust our contests rules and
>> categories to accommodate the progress.
>> Need new country? Let me know, I will mail or drop from the airplane the
>> other half of my station there and give you a NEW one! We should have all
>> countries on the air 24/7 very soon. We need more frequencies, wider bands
>> to accommodate all of their perpetual CQing so everyone can have ALL
>> multipliers. Oh, and don't forget the robot "stations", I don't need me
>> anymore, K3BUr will be making contacts long after I am gone.
>> Just wanted to shine some light at the "wire extended mike/key" idea, that
>> maybe is not so simple especially when it involves cross border control -
>> one pretending to be somewhere else.
>> 73 Yuri, soon 1S1AAA/K3BU
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