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Re: [CQ-Contest] Aniother rules/remote RX issue

To: "'JVarney'" <jvarn359@yahoo.com>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Aniother rules/remote RX issue
From: "Bob Naumann" <W5OV@W5OV.COM>
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 07:49:26 -0500
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While the "assistance" you refer to is real and conceivably results in the
unassisted operator getting more callers, it is indirect to the unassisted
operator as opposed to his receiving direct assistance - i.e.; connected to
the cluster/spotting network.

It is this distinction that makes all the difference and there is no
"logical flaw".

The unassisted operator is not basing his operating decisions based on this
information as he is not receiving it directly. As such, he's operating
independently from all others in the contest and remains unassisted by


Bob W5OV

P.S. As with all of my other recent comments on this matter, this is my
personal opinion - I am not speaking on behalf of any contest committee I am
a member of.

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Aniother rules/remote RX issue

Except it's not that simple because the clusters assist the unassisted.

A single operator travels to a rare multiplier and calls CQ. He or she is
immediately spotted on the clusters. This instant free worldwide advertising
works wonders as hordes of assisteds/unlimiteds swarm the single op station.
The single op enjoys a great run. The "unassisted" station's rate and score
are pushed higher with the presence of the spotting network than without.

This is the underlying logical flaw with the assisted/unassisted
classification -- it overlooks the fact that it takes two stations to make a
QSO. Third party assistance assists both sides of the QSO, not just one
side. To have single op be truly unassisted you either have to make the
assisted/unassisted class a part of the exchange and score accordingly, or
have a "vintage" contest where all forms of assistance are banned for all

It's true the spotting networks are beyond the SO's control, but from what
I've seen, the global spotting networks are so efficient and pervasive now
that the indirect assistance effect is not insignificant.

73 Jim K6OK

>>w5ov@w5ov.com wrote:

"One operator, no spotting networks, no information from elsewhere, no
skimmers, no RBN. Just one operator, his equipment located at his station
and he has at it. One operator, alone.  Simple."
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