Sorry to enter into this discussion but something must be said!
Every contester knows that a third station or even 4 stations can be used but
never more than three stations at the same time
So please Luc take in consideration that not only you read the rules.
You perfectly know what Peter is referring to.
The only way to assure that during the 48 hours every minute and every second
only two stations at the same time is with a interlock mechanism and not only
software because if the third station on SSB is using vox or in CW using paddle
no way to avoid the third station on the air.
Nobody is stupid here
My apologize for being rude
De: Luc Moreira [mailto:email@example.com]
Enviada em: sábado, 23 de junho de 2012 16:27
Para: Contest Reflector
Cc: PETER PP5XX / PY5CC; py5eg; PT7CB; RIO-DX-GROUP; GDXG; Dx Brasil
Assunto: Is allowed more then 2 stations on M/2?
On PY Contest reflectors Peter, PP5XX, a very known operator that was part of
HKØNA team, wrote this message:
On June 23, 2012 11:06, Peter Sprengel <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
There are two situations in contestes.
By involuntary errors in operation that are all susceptible and cheating.
I'll give you an example of CHEATING:
The guy participate as M/2 and have a third station and enter the QSO's made
from the third station in the log. This is DISHONESTY. That's shamelessness!
In my opinion have to declassify mercilessly. Unfortunately that's not what
happened recently in the WPX, and they opted to discount points of naughty
thieves. But it is a start and served as a reminder that every day the
organizers are more aware of frauds.
Link to original message in Portuguese:
The team PW7T was the only one M/2 participant in PY on last WPX (both CW/SSB)
using 3 stations setup, so I got confused If indeed we are doing something
wrong/illegal that WPX organizers didn't know about it or noble fellow Peter,
PP5XX is miss judging our operations?
3830 PW7T @ WPX 2012 - SSB: 2nd World (Claimed):
3830 PW7T @ WPX 2012 - CW: 1st World (Claimed):
Little background to help you evaluate the situation:
I'm one of 8-10 regular operators of PW7T Team (former ZY7C) Fortaleza DX Group
Contest Station. Since 2006, we've been building the station from the ground. A
project like this require time, money (a lot of), effort, dedication, learning,
team working and big passion for Contesting.
Since then, It's not rare to spot us on Top Score Box of all big contests.
Although It wasn't easy/quick, It was really an amazing journey. During this
journey, we learned a lot about hardware, software, mastered game strategy,
have fun, how to work as team and finally we got more skilled and competitive.
One of most important lessons learned was that Brazil isn't a rare DXCC. Just
set a frequency and call CQ simply doesn't work! We need to work pileup AND run
after Qs and Mults as well, just like 95% of competitors do. If Moses won't go
to the mountain...
To chase new Qs/Mults while don't give up pileups, we setup 3 stations, each
one have access to all available antennas and they are limited to 1,000 Watts
max power output (according to PY ham radio regulation, we are seriously
against POWER ABUSE).
Our understand from M/2 category rules is that there is no limit of stations,
but M/2 entrants must ensure to have only 2 signals on the air any time, any
band. To avoid more then 2 signals on the air, two (of three) stations are
interlocked, so from 3 stations, we have only 2 signal on the air any time, any
The third station is used as "chameleon", It assumes RUN#1/RUN#2 identity to
work mult/Qs on other bands. So each RUN station "QSY" up to the band change
limit (8 on WPX, 10 on CQWW). That gives us up to 8 contacts per hour on WPX.
On 48h it means 384 mults or Qs that was made by third station. This station
NEVER calls CQ.
Errors happens. On WPX CW 2011, we lost 3rd place in world because a band
violation (complete article http://www.pw7t.net/?p=822). Yes, we take the risk
of make mistakes, but in my point of view It is not even close to cheating.
If there is any broken rules on this setup or strategy, please pinpoint It to
us, so we'll fix it for future contests and we will withdraw our logs from last
At PW7T we beleave that there is no meaning on win by any means.
PW7T Team member
WRTC.2006 Brazilian Referee
WRTC.2010 Brazilian Team Leader
PY8AZT (also PT7AG, R37U, ZY7C, PX8C, ZZ8Z)
LABRE, ARRL, CWJF & Fortaleza DX Group Member
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