Clubs stations don't have privileges. It is just a callsign. The
control operator will determine the privileges. There are not
Technician class clubs or Extra Class clubs.
W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net
On 6/23/2012 7:24 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Randy Thompson K5ZD <email@example.com> wrote:
>> While we dance around the idea of angels, "assistance", and some rules being
>> more rules than others...
>> What if the op had spent many hours running outside the USA phone band.
>> E.g., KP2MM running while transmitting on 7050. Or 14145. Is this different
>> than simply operating outside the ops license class? Would that be an
>> offense worthy of DQ? Or should those out of band QSOs simply be removed as
>> the operator making an innocent mistake?
> That'd be different because he'd have been in violation of FCC rules.
> He was operating under the club station license (KP2MM), not his own.
> The club station license has extra class privileges, but requires an
> extra-class control operator to be present. Since KV4FZ was
> (reportedly) present at all times, no FCC rules were broken. The
> debate is about whether or not KV4FZ counts as an additional operator
> for the contest entry. The ARRL's ruling was that he should have been.
> I tend to agree that reclassification as multi-single would have been
> more appropriate than DQ in this case, especially if it's a "first
> offense", and apparently a misunderstanding of the rules rather than a
> flagrant attempt at cheating.
> ~iain / N6ML
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:cq-contest-
>>> email@example.com] On Behalf Of Dick Green WC1M
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 4:01 PM
>>> To: 'W0MU Mike Fatchett'; firstname.lastname@example.org
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] KP2MM Disqualified in ARRL CW 2012
>>> I think it's somewhat silly and a bit of a stretch to call the presence of
>>> the control operator "assistance". That person isn't doing anything, other
>>> than lending the contest operator use of his/her license. That person is
>>> also lending the contest operator use of his/her station, QTH, food,
>>> bathroom, etc. Why is that different? In no case is the control operator
>>> actually doing anything that affects the competition. He/she is not
>>> operating, providing spots, fixing broken equipment, etc. (I'm sure the
>>> prohibition against that last item has been violated countless times.)
>>> Oh, you say operating in the Extra Class sub-band is a competitive
>>> advantage? Yeah, so is a 4-stack on 20m. But the latter can be "loaned" to
>>> the contest operator, while the former cannot.
>>> That said, the "angels dancing on the head of pin" interpretation being
>>> used is that the control operator must be physically present by FCC rule.
>>> That's true. So, since another body has to be in the room, it's
>>> automatically multi-op. While I disagree with that strict interpretation,
>>> and think the impact on the competition is the better way to look at this,
>>> I believe HQ is within its rights to interpret the rule as it has.
>>> However, I do not think the log should be DQed. It should be reclassified
>>> as multi-op. The op didn't try to cheat. He made an innocent mistake.
>>> The real issue here is the vague wording of the rules. If the action is
>>> against the rules, and will result in DQ or reclassification, then the
>>> rules should explicitly say so.
>>> 73, Dick WC1M
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: W0MU Mike Fatchett [mailto:email@example.com]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 1:40 AM
>>>> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] KP2MM Disqualified in ARRL CW 2012
>>>> I think Yuri understands. I had a couple of off list emails with him.
>>>> He is going to shoot for his Extra so this is not an issue again.
>>>> I can understand his pain. He put in the effort and he is probably
>>>> not the 1st nor the last that will do this.
>>>> If Herb was there the entire contest or the periods where Yuri was
>>>> operating outside his class, we will never know this then why not make
>>>> it a Multi OP log.
>>>> Yuri sometimes the best lessons are the hardest ones.
>>>> Get that extra and get back in the contest. Don't let this discourage
>>>> Mike W0MU
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