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Re: [CQ-Contest] Two questions about CQ WW SSB contest logging

Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Two questions about CQ WW SSB contest logging
From: "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:47:27 -0400
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I ask once for the person's zone if I suspect the zone is incorrect or I
misunderstood, such as the USA station saying zone 6. If he/she still says
6, I ask where they live. If he/she says NY (as an example), I ask if he is
okay with me entering zone 5. If he says yes, then that is what I enter. If
he says no, then I enter 6. After all, weren't we told in a recent thread to
enter what was sent? :-)
I am kibitzing, but had a couple of similar issues. 
Hey, I don't whine often. I'll go back to my hole till the next contest.
73,
N2TK, Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Taylor [mailto:ve4xt@mymts.net] 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 8:45 AM
To: Radio Station K0HB; k5zd@charter.net
Cc: N2TK, Tony; CQ-Contest Reflector
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Two questions about CQ WW SSB contest logging

At the risk of getting too obvious...

If you don't get the right exchange in a contest, shouldn't you just ask for
it?

I remember in SS many times getting back something like 'five nine three'
and having to ask if the op could give me the right exchange.

After a serial number of 40, it's pretty obvious it's not a zone number. Up
to 40, there are probably a few that get you pretty excited...

Often, it's because the op just got on to play for a bit and made a faulty
assumption of the rules. Doesn't mean the QSO is invalid, as long as you get
the right exchange.

73, kelly
ve4xt


On 11/1/12 8:37 PM, "Radio Station K0HB" <kzerohb@gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought the idea of a contest was to demonstrate our ability to 
> correctly copy an exchange.
> 
> Are we to enter what was "actually" sent, or what we suspect "should 
> have been" sent?
> 
> 73,
> 
> de Hans, K0HB
> --
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 1, 2012, at 20:26, "Randy Thompson K5ZD" <k5zd@charter.net> wrote:
> 
>> CQWW is unusual in that the zone of the other station is often known 
>> just from their call sign.  Since zones are multipliers, it is 
>> traditional that you would want to enter the correct zone number in 
>> your log rather than a serial number.
>> 
>> Since the log checking is expecting to find a zone number in the log, 
>> it would be highly recommended that you provide one.
>> 
>> Randy, K5ZD
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of N2TK, Tony
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:56 PM
>>> To: k5zd@charter.net; 'CQ-Contest Reflector'
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Two questions about CQ WW SSB contest 
>>> logging
>>> 
>>> We logged what the other station sent us. Some insisted on giving 
>>> out serial numbers and that is what we entered. I wonder how the 
>>> contest committee will handle those situations?
>>> 73,
>>> N2TK/NP2, Tony
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Randy Thompson K5ZD
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:20 PM
>>> To: 'Hank Greeb'; 'CQ-Contest Reflector'
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Two questions about CQ WW SSB contest 
>>> logging
>>> 
>>> Let's not get carried away here.
>>> 
>>> The CQWW rules state:
>>> "III.13. Post-contest correcting of call signs by using any 
>>> database, recordings or confirming QSO's is not allowed (Rule XII.2 
>>> always applies)."
>>> 
>>> I.e., don't correct calls after the contest.
>>> 
>>> I paraphrased this during the webinar to:
>>> - Put your log in Cabrillo format
>>> - Send it in
>>> 
>>> We want your log in the proper format.  It makes our job easier and 
>>> it helps you keep all of the points that you earned.  Helping a new 
>>> contester get their log submitted earns you some extra karma points.
>>> 
>>> Remember.  This is supposed to be fun.
>>> 
>>> Randy, K5ZD
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Hank Greeb
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:55 AM
>>>> To: CQ-Contest Reflector
>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Two questions about CQ WW SSB contest logging
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I admit to making an "after contest" adjustment of my cabrillo file 
>>>> for the recent CQ WW SSB contest.  I wasn't quite "with it" when I 
>>>> started the contest, and gave one fellow a "Zone 5" instead of my
>>> "real"
>>> Zone 4.
>>>> I tried to edit the contact to put zone 5 in the contact line, but 
>>>> didn't see any "CQ Zone" in the "Edit Contact" box.  Since I 
>>>> couldn't change the CQ Zone during the contest, I entered "sent 
>>>> zone 5 instead of zone 4" in the comment field, and after the fact 
>>>> I changed the one log line in my cabrillo file to Zone 5.
>>>> 
>>>> I now think (but am not sure) that the zone COULD have been changed 
>>>> for this one contact by entering "5" in the "exchange" box, but it 
>>>> wasn't obvious during the heat of the contest.  And, I'll never 
>>>> understand why the "comment" field is in the "Edit contact" pane, 
>>>> but to retrieve the data one must go to VIEW>NOTES (NOT VIEW>COMMENTS).
>>>> This resulted in a big puzzle, and a note to my two "Elmers" for 
>>>> N1MM software, who pointed out that "Comments" were labeled "Notes" 
>>>> under the
>>> VIEW tab.
>>>> 
>>>> Should my "after the fact editing" of this one line in the log 
>>>> result in disqualification of my entry, and should an orange or red 
>>>> card be
>>> issued?
>>>> The rules specifically say I should not massage the log after the fact.
>>>> My reasoning was that I had the data in the comment or note Field 
>>>> in the N1MM "raw" log, couldn't figure out how to edit it "on the fly,"
>>>> and I didn't want to penalize the other station for a busted QSO 
>>>> because of my error.
>>>> 
>>>> ====================
>>>> 
>>>> The other question involves a newbie who entered the contest using 
>>>> a "non contest" logging programme.  It supposedly made a cabrillo 
>>>> file, but the result did NOT have his zone, nor did it have the 
>>>> received signal
>>> report.
>>>> We managed to "massage" this log with Notepad edit feature, so that 
>>>> it conformed with the cabrillo specs provided by CQWW.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, again, the rules say one should NOT edit the file after the
>>> contest.
>>>> 
>>>> The choice was either NOT submit a log, or do this rather massive 
>>>> editing by putting the local zone and the received signal report 
>>>> into the cabrillo file.  We didn't make any "corrections" just 
>>>> added data which was in the original log but did NOT show up when 
>>>> the programme made a "so called" cabrillo file.  I figure that he 
>>>> might be encouraged to see his call amongst the other folks in the 
>>>> CQ Writeup, and we might have another contester amongst this 
>>>> seemingly dying breed of US Hams.  I also encouraged him to try his 
>>>> logging software to make sure it will do the correct cabrillo file 
>>>> prior to entering another
>>> context.
>>>> 
>>>> Comments will be appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> 72/73 de n8xx Hg
>>>> QRP >99.44% of the time
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