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Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote contesting

To: "Kelly Taylor" <ve4xt@mymts.net>, "Charles Harpole" <hs0zcw@gmail.com>, "Tree" <tree@kkn.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote contesting
From: "Jim Jordan, K4QPL" <k4qpl@nc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:42:45 -0500
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Well said, Kelly.

The issue is the point where the RF meets the air, not how the operator controls the radio. If that point is in the US, US law applies and the callsign must identify it accordingly. If in Thailand, who knows, but I would think if you own the radio and the antenna from which the RF emanates, then you are responsible and are the "control operator" whether there's an official term for it or not.

Could one also operate Tree's station (with his consent of course) from another country under CEPT by signing W7/G3xxx? Maybe we could boost SS participation by signing up the hot EU ops to remote in to a station that would not otherwise be on the air. My god! I think I've just alerted NCCC to a secret weapon in the unlimited club competition against us in PVRC!


Jim, K4QPL

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Taylor" <ve4xt@mymts.net>
To: "Charles Harpole" <hs0zcw@gmail.com>; "Tree" <tree@kkn.net>
Cc: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote contesting

That's a question you'd have to put to the Thai authorities. I doubt Tree is
an expert in Thai law.

Most of the rest of us don't care. It matters not a whit to me where the
operator is located: if I work N6TR while Tree is in India or I work N6TR
while Tree is at home, I'm still working an Oregon station. The only
different is in the first case, Tree has much longer headphone and keyer
lines than most of us...

Indeed, if you could work it out, I'd say go for it! You would probably have
lots of customers.

BTW: nobody is suggesting for a moment that remote contesting be used to lie
about transmitter or receiver location. Your customers would have to be
honest about transmitting from and receiving in Thailand. It would be
considered a violation of the 500-foot rule to use your station as an
express-lane into Asia while pretending to be purely a K1.

If we can find ways to keep people on the air (note, I said on the AIR)
despite restrictive covenants, aging, business travel or any other
impediments to operating from a home station, it's a good thing.

73, kelly

On 11/5/12 6:45 AM, "Charles Harpole" <hs0zcw@gmail.com> wrote:

Tree, is it ok for me to rent my shack to any licensed ham to use remotely
from anywhere to my shack in Thailand?  I guess the renter would have to
get a Thai license and use that call sign or maybe it is ok for him to use my Thai call sign? I guess the renter could not use his call sign from his home location, like Kansas or whatever? However, would I be liable for him breaking Thai radio law? I dont think Thailand says anything about being a
control operator.

Things have gotten complicated without the rules keeping up with them.  I
just say GL and 73, Charly HS0ZCW.

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Tree <tree@kkn.net> wrote:

Paul, EI5DI writes:

It seems to me that remote-control contesting makes
about as much sense as remote-control hunting.

I guess I am not seeing the correlation between the two.

The nature of the way the radio works is that the human is interfacing to
what is happening in the RF playground using a "modem" if you will (the
radio).  Inside modern radios - signals are likely being converted to a
bunch of numbers and back into something the human can hear. I don't see how changing that signal back into a bunch of numbers and sending them to
the kitchen or India changes the nature of the "hunt" at all.  (I saw a
posting from someone recently where they finished a contest in the kitchen
because they had to feed the kids he was "babysitting" while the contest
was still on).

When I "hunted" my last section - the experience was just the same as if I was at home (except for trying to deal with the latency issue). When VE3ZI came back to "W7?" - it was a great feeling. That's why we contest - for the "feeling" - and it is no different. I had to find the station - figure out when (and where) to call him. I would have gone through the same exact steps if I were at the station. The chase was the same. Nobody helped me
"point the gun" or even load it.

I can see something like this being a great option for people who don't
have a station but want to get involved in a contest.  I know others are
already doing this.  I don't see how this is a bad thing (other than it
made me a bit more of a lid than I normally am).  More activity in the
contest is good for the contest.

Tree N6TR
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