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Re: [CQ-Contest] [NCCC] Have NCCC and PVRC ruined SS?

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [NCCC] Have NCCC and PVRC ruined SS?
From: Art Boyars <artboyars@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:13:26 -0500
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Good question re MD and Sprint, Jim, and I don't have an answer.  I've not
operated Sprint much since i re-activated several years ago.  Sprint is
usually 2/3 done by my QRV time; my skills were not up to it; I never
bothered to figure out how to use my logging program in Sprint.  I have
noticed, however, that this Sat nite there will be plenty of Sprint
available for me, so I might give it a go.  If I do, I'll try to stay out
of the way of the good operators.

Why did you miss VA?  Because anything can happen in Sprint.

73, Art K3KU

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:53 PM, <Jimk8mr@aol.com> wrote:

> **
> An half full/half empty glass observation:
>
> Why are there so few MD stations in the NCJ Sprint?
>
> And how did I miss Virginia in the last one?
>
> The CW Sprint is coming up tomorrow, hint, hint . . .
>
>
> 73  -  Jim  K8MR
>
>
>
>
>
>  In a message dated 1/31/2013 5:07:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> artboyars@gmail.com writes:
>
> Bill,
>
> An interesting analysis.  I'm taking the liberty of including it with my
> reply here on the CQ-Contest Reflector (even though you sent only to me and
> NCCC).
>
> My impression is that the high participation of NCCC/PVRC is
> noticeable.  Some anecdotal data --  Somewhere in an SS Soapbox or 3830
> Reflector post (I think in 2011), there are comments about all the MDC/VA
> stations. I've heard similar comments even during the SS ("Another MDC.
> There sure are a lot of you guys.").  I think the "Rare Sections" lists in
> the ARRL reports shows VA and MD tops in QSOs.
>
> My question is: Does it make SS less fun for everybody else? Still no
> replies from them.
>
> Below my sig are some data I dug out.  Below that is your analysis.
>
> 73, Art K3KU
>
>
> ...........................................................................................
>
> I was thinking mostly about 2012.  From the score rumors (based on 3830
> Reflector postings) it seemed that PVRC was way ahead, and there was some
> curiosity here that maybe you guys had not made a serious effort.  The Club
> Scores in ARRL's preliminary report for SS 'Phone sure looked that way.
> (These include CW and 'Phone, right?)
>
>
> 2012 Unlimited Category                      Points                Entries
>
> Potomac Valley Radio Club           20,112,044            267
> Northern California Contest Club    8,116,740           107
>
>
> But wait!  Maybe PVRC just had a super-duper turnout in 2012.  So I looked
> back a couple of years.
>
> 2011
>
> Potomac Valley Radio Club            22,897,542       291
>
> Northern California Contest Club      14,750,346    189
>
>
>
> 2010
>
> Potomac Valley Radio Club            21,489,580        273
>
> Northern California Contest Club    20,159,038      286
>
>
>
> 2009
>
> Potomac Valley Radio Club             24,356,974        302
>
> Northern California Contest Club    22,712,498     332
>
>
>
> Looks like a downward trend in entries by both Clubs from 2009 to 2012. (I
> took enough short courses in statistics and enough courses in probability
> to know that I have no idea what this data means.)
>
> ...................................................................................................
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Bill Haddon <haddon.bill@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Let's look at some actual numbers to assess the extent to which NCCC's
> not
> > highlighting Sweepstakes influenced the Sweepstakes, over-all:
> >
> > For 2011 (one of the years cited by the K3KU message):
> >
> > Total points in Sweepstakes  CW:  ~85,000,000
> >         Points from PVRC:                   10,113,000
> >         Points from NCCC:                     7,970,000
> >
> > Suppose NCCC had emphasized SS and that NCCC tied PVRC:
> >     Increase in Sweepstakes scores under this scenario:     ~2.6% of
> total
> > SS CW points.
> >
> > It does appear that NCCC contributed a bit less in 2012 (can't tell
> easily
> > since the CW and Phone scores are not individually summed in the NCCC
> > database), but I'd guess NCCC generated about 6,000,000 CW points (but
> many
> > members' scores went to MLDXCC).  So there might be about a 5% impact on
> > overall Sweepstakes activity from our failure to stress the Sweepstakes
> in
> > 2012.  A relatively small effect.
> >
> > 73 Bill n6zfo
>
>
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