Tnx good comments Dave, but I stick by my "one longer word spoken once is
better than same shorter word repeated three times."
And I am speaking to phone under difficult condx and often w. non-native
speakers. Words of more than one syllable allow the brain to make up what
part may be missing and assemble the whole word.
Of course, I stand by my research.... and as an op who hears more
non-native speakers than otherwise. Try being an HS0Z on either mode!!!
73
Charly, HS0ZCW......... frustrated phone ops do not recognize "CW" said as
letters (and even Charlie Whiskey) and often missed by many ops.
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 12:07 AM, David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
wrote:
>
> Some decent advice there, Charlie, but I'm going to have to disagree with
> a few of your phonetics. I've given this subject a lot of thought over the
> years and I agree that common place names are a good idea, but several of
> the words you consider to be bad are so commonly used that anyone who has
> operated a contest for more than an hour is going to recognize them pretty
> easily. ALPHA, BRAVO, DELTA, ECHO, HOTEL, and KILO pretty much fit that
> description. I typically use ALPHA and BRAVO in contests because they are
> so common and they are short, but in some situations I will mix them up
> with AMERICA and BOSTON because I agree they can be more recognizable.
>
> GOLF and GULF are indeed terrible in almost every respect, though. I
> really don't understand why people use them.
>
> More importantly, in my opinion, is that words with short syllables and
> sharp consonants make a huge difference in intelligibility ... there is
> more burst audio energy in them. For example, ECHO trumps ENGLAND every
> day of the week in that regard. You can literally feel the difference when
> you say them. Although I typically use ALPHA, I don't like the way the PH
> is so mushy and I will switch to AMERICA if it isn't working. A word like
> ATTIC would work well except that nobody would recognize it. ;)
>
> Other things being equal, and this is just my opinion, I also think that
> short two syllable words are better than words with more of them.
> WASHINGTON and HONOLULU are pretty bad on both length and crispness. I can
> hear and recognize WHISKEY within the same window of QRM/QRN that it takes
> for an ambiguous INGTON to come though.
>
> Intelligibility is a mixture of both reception and recognition ... it's
> not a good idea to ignore either.
>
> Your best advice, though, is to switch to a different phonetic if one
> isn't getting through. It is pretty frustrating for me to have somebody
> keep using the same phonetic over and over after I've already asked for a
> handful of repeats. I've even had to tell somebody on the other end to use
> a different phonetic because it was obvious I wasn't grasping one they were
> using.
>
> Take care,
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
>
> On 10/7/2017 7:49 PM, Charles Harpole wrote:
>
>> Things I have learned, again, this time working people in triangle area
>> from Singapore to Palau to Timor and humbly and apologetically offer
>> advice
>> to operators in that area.........
>>
>> -Learn more radio English.
>> -Practice saying your call sign in clear English, not so fast, and use
>> clear phonetics*.
>> -Learn alternative words for your call in other phonetics.
>> -Repeat your info at least twice all the time.
>> -Give your whole call sign, especially the prefix for yagis to be turned
>> to
>> you.
>>
>> Thank you very much. Help upcoming DX contest sponsored in that area (in
>> January?).
>>
>> *Do not use GULF, GOLF, ALPHA, BRAVO, DELTA, ECHO, HOTEL, KILO, LIMA, and
>> other bad ones.
>>
>> Use AMERICA, BOSTON, CANADA/CHARLIE, DENMARK, ENGLAND, FLORIDA, GERMANY,
>> HONOLULU, ITALY, JAPAN, KENTUCKY, LONDON, MEXICO, NORWAY, ONTARIO, PAPA,
>> QUEEN, RADIO, SANTIAGO, TOKYO, UNITED, VICTORIA, WASHINGTON, X-RAY,
>> YOKOHAMA, ZANZIBAR.
>>
>> I have spent years testing these words with non-native English speakers
>> and THEY WORK first time. They are based on common PLACE names featured
>> in
>> the news media in most languages, PORTUGAL, QUEBEC excepted.
>>
>> Thanks, 73
>> Charly, HS0ZCW
>> HONOLULU SANTIAGO ZERO ZANZIBAR CANADA WASHINGTON
>>
>>
>> Better to be heard long *once* than not heard shorter three times.
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