I’m not sure how well but I’m doing it at 78.
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> 1. Re: The 2021 Unassisted Challenge (Martin, LU5DX)
> 2. Re: The 2021 Unassisted Challenge (Jeff Clarke)
> 3. Re: *** SPAM *** Re: The 2021 Unassisted Challenge
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> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:49:25 -0300
> From: "Martin, LU5DX" <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar>
> To: k9yc@arrl.net
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> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] The 2021 Unassisted Challenge
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> Hi Jim,
> Totally. It depends on many factors, including the perspective from which
> the op approaches the contest.
> I have mostly entered SOAB (A) starting back in 2006. However, in my case
> SOAB ended up being more fun, since there are a ton less decisions to be
> made.
> In SOAB you either run two neverending pileups if you are fortunate enough
> to be in a good location, or run on radio A and S&P on radio B.
>
> Vy 73,
>
> Mart?n, LU5DX
>
> El dom., 14 mar. 2021 12:13 p. m., Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> escribi?:
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>> I think your position on this depends almost entirely on how you are
>> able to contest. My friend Jeff has for many years operated CQWWCW with
>> K4BAI from a fine station in PJ4, where two stations can run the entire
>> contest and a third search for mults with the benefit of the cluster.
>> John and Jeff have often placed at or near the top in the contest.
>>
>> At home, both of us, and K4BAI, operate from far less favored locations,
>> and with modest but decent stations. We can't run through most contests.
>> I'm usually part of an NCCC team, so I'll run high power assisted if
>> contest rules permit. Even if I'm not part of a team, and if the rules
>> permit, I'll probably use the cluster because for me, it's more fun. And
>> for DX contests, whose scoring rules make west coast participants not
>> really in the contest, I'll often run QRP using the cluster to see what
>> I can work.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>>> On 3/13/2021 11:48 AM, Martin, LU5DX wrote:
>>> You are totally wrong Jeff.
>>> Operating using the DX Cluster takes a lot more skills than just running
>>> two pileups without any additional information.
>>> I think I don't need to explain why, since your way of thinking reduces
>> the
>>> use of cluster to just pointing and clicking.
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> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:32:26 -0400
> From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] The 2021 Unassisted Challenge
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> Martin,
>
> I don't think SOAB is dominated by 2BSIQ. My guess is only a handful
> (mostly the top 5 in each SOAB HP category) operate this way. The rest
> are operating the traditional way or SO2R where they are tuning for
> stations to work on a 2nd radio. You also need to be a special type of
> person to do 2BSIQ. I don't think an older person could handle it as
> it's very demanding. I don't even think I could do it at 60 years old!
>
> Jeff
>
>> On 3/13/2021 06:23 PM, Martin, LU5DX wrote:
>> Well, no.
>> I mean not in general.
>> If you are to compete in SOAB now dominate by 2BSIQ, looking for mults is
>> no longer part of the equation. Eventually you would pass mults to one of
>> your two, or three or n radios.
>> Mults have become just a factor proportional to the QSO total.
>> CT1BOH explains it very well.
>> The same station with the same op would have to figure out very well to do
>> to outperform his SOAB score using the DX Cluster. You have to evaluate
>> exactly who to call, when to call without hurting your overall performance.
>> Strategies vary a lot from region to region. But using DX Cluster is not
>> easier than not using it.
>> I took a break from SOAB (A) at LP1H and entered SOAB from CE3CT 2013/2014
>> CQ WW DX CW. SOAB is by far more relaxed and straight forward than SOAB
>> (A).
>>
>> To me, the problem about treating them as different categories is about the
>> imposibility of proper results adjudication at all times.
>>
>> Vy 73,
>>
>> Mart?n, LU5DX
>>
>>
>> El s?b., 13 mar. 2021 6:16 p. m., rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com>
>> escribi?:
>>
>>> It takes different skills, not a lot more skills.
>>>
>>> Contesting is not simply a game of running. It may be that way in some
>>> parts of the world due to the ability to sustain high run rates but in
>>> many places you do need to hunt for multipliers to compete
>>> effectively. With spotting that becomes dramatically easier than
>>> without spotting assistance.
>>>
>>> Fact is, they are different games and should be treated as such.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Ria, N2RJ
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 2:57 PM Martin, LU5DX <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar> wrote:
>>>> You are totally wrong Jeff.
>>>> Operating using the DX Cluster takes a lot more skills than just running
>>>> two pileups without any additional information.
>>>> I think I don't need to explain why, since your way of thinking reduces
>>> the
>>>> use of cluster to just pointing and clicking.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Martin, LU5DX
>>>>
>>>> El s?b., 13 mar. 2021 1:43 p. m., Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com> escribi?:
>>>>
>>>>> Many newer contesters don't know any other way to operate a contest
>>> than
>>>>> operating assisted. They spend every contest just pointing and clicking
>>>>> on spots, which doesn't really involve any skills at all. I see many
>>>>> posts on 3830 of those who comment they did no S&P at all and make all
>>>>> their QSO's by clicking on spots in the band map. If you have a nice
>>>>> station you can do pretty good operating this way. You can usually have
>>>>> a higher score than someone that is a more skillful operator but has a
>>>>> lesser station. Those of us who don't like this way of operating are
>>>>> often criticized as being not "keeping up with the times" or old
>>> fashioned.
>>>>> I can totally understand why Bud thinks assisted is the way to go. AA3B
>>>>> along with others such as K3WW, K5ZD, N3RD and others are all
>>>>> accomplished SO2R operators, like to operate assisted and have nice
>>>>> contest stations. Adding assistance allows them to maximize their
>>>>> scores. There are other accomplished operators such as N6MJ, KL9A and
>>>>> N2NT and others that aren't really into operating assisted. So why
>>>>> should a single person decide that everyone should operate the way they
>>>>> prefer to operate? I run the Georgia QSO Party and I make all my rule
>>>>> decisions based on feedback I get and not my personal preference. There
>>>>> are rules I want to change but I don't because of that feedback I get.
>>>>> Bud heard lots of feedback on this reflector that opposed this rule
>>>>> change but chose to ignore it and go with his personal preferences.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been a contester for many years and frankly I'm turned off buy
>>> some
>>>>> of the current rules in contests. The "skill" factor doesn't really
>>> seem
>>>>> to matter as much as it did in the past. Many of you that have been
>>>>> around awhile before assistance and SO2R came about might remember back
>>>>> in the day when those who had the highest contest scores were those who
>>>>> made the right decisions such as "what band should I be running on" or
>>>>> "should I take a break right now". Those days are gone because with
>>>>> today's assistive technology you don't have to make that decision.
>>>>>
>>>>> Either way I will still operate contests (especially CW) because that's
>>>>> what I've done my entire amateur radio life. I'm not so concerned about
>>>>> winning anything because I'm out gunned. It's just for the love of
>>>>> contesting I have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff KU8E
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/12/2021 09:41 PM, N4ZR wrote:
>>>>>> I had missed this change in the WPX rules, which I deplore, and I'm
>>>>>> glad that N6MJ et al have taken up the cudgels. In my opinion it
>>>>>> never made any sense to merge assisted and unassisted. Even though I
>>>>>> largely operate assisted, the distinction is real and should not be
>>>>>> ignored. If the best operators went assisted, they would definitely
>>>>>> win, because S&P rates (when dueling 2-band CQs slow down) and
>>>>>> multiplier totals will definitely show an effect. Let those who want
>>>>>> one or the other make their choice - don't pretend there is no
>>>>>> practical difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>>>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>>>>>> web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>>>>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>>>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/12/2021 6:23 PM, Ken K6MR wrote:
>>>>>>> This is wonderful! Many have talked about doing something like
>>> this,
>>>>>>> but you have grabbed the ring!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you and I look forward to the results. Real contesting!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken K6MR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Daniel Craig<mailto:unassistedchallenge@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:05
>>>>>>> To: cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] The 2021 Unassisted Challenge
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We invite U.S. Amateurs to participate in the 2021 Unassisted
>>> Challenge.
>>>>>>> The Challenge is open to Amateurs in the lower 48 States who enter
>>>>>>> the 2021
>>>>>>> CQ WPX SSB and/or CW contests in the single-op category but do NOT
>>> use
>>>>>>> spotting assistance. Even though CQ WPX no longer recognizes
>>> separate
>>>>>>> unassisted categories, we feel the need to continue having such
>>>>>>> categories.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To enter, email your Cabrillo log (as submitted to CQ WPX) to
>>>>>>> unassistedchallenge@gmail.com. Please indicate from which CQ Zone
>>> you
>>>>>>> operated in the text of the message. We also encourage you to post
>>> your
>>>>>>> score to www.3830scores.com<http://www.3830scores.com> and select
>>> the
>>>>>>> unassisted overlay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> High Power and Low Power winners in CQ Zones 3, 4, and 5 will
>>> receive a
>>>>>>> plaque (six plaques available in each event). We encourage
>>> operators
>>>>>>> throughout the world to participate as single-op unassisted also,
>>> but
>>>>>>> plaques are only available for the lower 48.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Full details and rules coming soon! Send any questions to
>>>>>>> unassistedchallenge@gmail.com. Please forward to your friends and
>>>>>>> clubs!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Axel KI6RRN
>>>>>>> Dan N6MJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note: the Unassisted Challenge is not affiliated with CQ or CQ WPX.
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> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 15:34:25 +0100 (CET)
> From: Albert Crespo <f5vhj@orange.fr>
> To: dimitri <cosson-dimitri@bbox.fr>
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> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] *** SPAM *** Re: The 2021 Unassisted
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> These are the 2021 categories- No seperate assisted or non assisted classes.
> Simple.
> ?
> VI. ENTRY CATEGORIES:
> Use of QSO alerting assistance is permitted in all categories with the
> exception of the Single Operator Classic Overlay.
> A. Single Operator Categories:One person (the operator) performs all
> operating and logging functions. There is no limit on band changes. Only one
> transmitted signal is permitted at any time.
> 1. Single Operator High Power (All Band or Single Band):Total output power
> must not exceed?1500 watts.
> 2. Single Operator Low Power (All Band or Single Band):Total output power
> must not exceed?100 watts.
> 3. Single Operator QRP (All Band or Single Band):?Total output power must not
> exceed?5 watts.
> B. Single Operator Overlay Categories:?Any Single Operator entrant who meets
> the requirements may ALSO enter one of the categories shown below by adding
> the appropriate CATEGORY-OVERLAY line in the Cabrillo log file header.
> Overlay category entries will be listed separately in the results, scored as
> All Bands, and grouped by High Power and Low Power (includes QRP).
> 1. Tribander/Single Element (TB-WIRES):?During the contest an entrant shall
> use only one (1) tribander (any type, with a single feed line from the
> transmitter to the antenna) for 10, 15, and 20 meters and single-element
> antennas on 40, 80, and 160 meters. Separate receiving antennas are not
> permitted in this category.
> 2. Rookie (ROOKIE):?To enter this category the operator must have been
> licensed as a radio amateur three (3) years or less on the date of the
> contest. The date the operator was first licensed?must?be indicated in the
> SOAPBOX field. An operator who has won a plaque in any previously published
> CQ contest is not eligible for the Rookie category.
> 3. Classic Operator (CLASSIC):?The entrant will use only one radio and may
> operate up to 24 of the 36 hours ? off times are a minimum of 60 minutes
> during which no QSO is logged. If the log shows more than 24 hours of
> operation, only the first 24 hours will be counted for the overlay score. Use
> of QSO alerting assistance of any kind is prohibited (see rule IX.B) for the
> duration of contest. Receiving while transmitting is also prohibited.
> C. Multi-Operator Categories (All Band only):?More than one person can
> contribute to the final score during the official contest period. Select
> category based on number of transmitted signals or number of locations
> 1. Single-Transmitter (MULTI-ONE):?Only one transmitted signal is permitted
> at any time. A maximum of ten (10) band changes may be made in any clock hour
> (00 through 59 minutes). For example, a change from 20 meters to 40 meters
> and then back to 20 meters counts as two band changes. Use a single serial
> number sequence for the entire log.
> a. High Power.?Total output power of each transmitted signal must not
> exceed?1500 watts.
> b. Low Power.?Total output power of each transmitted signal must not
> exceed?100 watts.
> 2. Two-Transmitter (MULTI-TWO):?A maximum of two transmitted signals is
> permitted at any time on two different bands. Both transmitters may work any
> station. A station may only be worked once per band regardless of which
> transmitter is used.?The log must indicate which transmitter made each
> QSO?(column 81 of CABRILLO QSO template for CQ contests). Each transmitter
> may make a maximum of eight (8) band changes in any clock hour (00 through 59
> minutes). Use a separate serial number sequence for each band. Total output
> power of each transmitted signal must not exceed?1500 watts.
> 3. Multi-Transmitter (MULTI-UNLIMITED):?A maximum of six transmitted signals,
> one per band, at any one time. Six bands may be activated simultaneously. Use
> a separate serial number sequence for each band. Total output power of each
> transmitted signal must not exceed?1500 watts.
> 4. Multi-Transmitter Distributed (MULTI-DISTRIBUTED):?A maximum of six
> transmitted signals, one per band at any one time, from stations in different
> locations. All equipment (transmitters, receivers, amplifiers, antennas,
> etc.) must be located in same DXCC entity and CQ Zone, including remotely
> controlled equipment. Six bands may be activated simultaneously. Use a
> separate serial number sequence for each band. Total output power of each
> transmitted signal must not exceed?1500 watts. The Cabrillo log header must
> include the following lines: CATEGORY-OPERATOR: MULTI-OP, CATEGORY-STATION:
> DISTRIBUTED. Rules X.E, X.F and X.G do not apply to this category.
> D. Checklog:?Entry submitted to assist with the log checking. The entry will
> not have a score in the results and the log will not be made public.
> VII. AWARDS:
> A single-band log will be eligible for a single-band award only. To be
> eligible for an award, a Single Operator station must show a minimum of 4
> hours of operation. Multi-operator stations must operate a minimum of 8 hours.
> A. Plaques?are awarded to recognize top performance in a number of
> categories. View the current list of plaques and sponsors at .
> Only one plaque will be awarded per entry. A station winning a World plaque
> will not be considered for a sub-area award. That award will be given to the
> runner-up for that area if the number of entries justifies the award.
> B. Certificates:?Electronic certificates will be made available for download
> for everyone that submits an on-time entry.
> ?
> ?
> ?
> ?
>> Message of 03/13/21 21:27 > From: "dimitri" > To: "Alexander Avramov" > Copy
>> to: "K7LXC via CQ -Contest "> Subject: *** SPAM *** Re: [CQ-Contest] The
>> 2021 Unassisted Challenge >> Hi Alex, Where did you saw that you must
>> operate assisted ... ??? Unassisted operators have often higher score than
>> assisted ones so where is your problem? 73 by Dimitri F4DSK On March 13,
>> 2021 at 20:56, at 20:56, Alexander Avramov wrote:> This announcement made
>> my day today! Axel and Dan, thank you! >>> The CQ WPX is not my favorite but
>> I did enjoy it a lot and always have> put> a full effort into it. I won 6
>> times in the recent years and set the US> SOABHP record 4 times in a row. I
>> wasn't thinking of stopping there but> the> recent elimination of the SOAB
>> category made me scratch it off my list. > I> do not like operating assisted
>> and see no point in doing something that> I> do not enjoy. Until today, the
>> WPX was dead for me. >>> Axel and Dan, again, thank you for bringing the
>> real WPX back to life! >
> Please, do let me know if I could help with anything. >>> Rest in peace CQ
> WPX, long live WPX challenge! >>> Alex, LZ4AX>
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