Waiting for the DOS attacks on the spotting networks to start....
73 Rich NN3W
On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 10:54 AM Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Ria, I'm not frustrated... I am simply concerned that allowing
> self-spotting will make it much less pleasant for me to pursue my
> personal goals. If everyone and their sibling self spots, that will
> markedly reduce my chances as of being first on a spot when someone
> comes on a new band, which is my go-to technique. What's to stop them
> from self-spotting their intended run frequency *before* they come on a
> new band?
>
> Also, as someone pointed out, the potential for malicious spotting is
> great. If I want to sabotage your operation, what's to stop me from
> posting spots of you on the wrong band or frequency?
>
> I simply think this was not well thought out, and that the result would
> have been different (and better) had the wider contesting community been
> more involved.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 2/17/2022 5:46 AM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
> > It really isn’t the “nobody asked us” defense. Quite the opposite.
> > There were several in the contest community who wanted contest rules
> > out of the hands of the full Board and into the hands of the CAC and
> > radiosport department. It doesn’t mean we don’t have input. It simply
> > means that we don’t have a formal vote on every contest rule change.
> >
> > As for smaller S&P stations? I’m not sure what changes for you. Care
> > to elaborate?
> >
> > I think a lot of us with smaller stations share frustrations of not
> > being able to be competitive, for various reasons.
> >
> >
> > Ria
> > N2RJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 1:05 AM Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > But Ria, what about those of us with small stations who like assisted
> > S&P? Surely there should be room for those of us who don't want to
> > self-spot, but find unassisted S&P endless frustration. I'm with
> > you -
> > surely it would have been better to add a class.
> >
> > As for the Board not having voted on these new rules, why the heck
> > not?
> > Surely this isn't the "nobody asked us" defense? If the Board aren't
> > responsible for what people subordinate to you do, who is?
> >
> > 73, Pete N4ZR
> > Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> > web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> > For spots, please use your favorite
> > "retail" DX cluster.
> >
> > On 2/16/2022 9:11 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Hans, things progressed exactly as some of the harshest critics
> > desired it
> > > to go.
> > >
> > > But anyway, everything is in the minutes. There were no motions
> > by the
> > > Board to adopt these rules.
> > >
> > > Do I agree with them? My desire was for an “ultra unlimited”
> > category to
> > > have streaming and self spotting. I didn’t get that. I’m one voice.
> > >
> > > Do we need to adapt and evolve? Yes.
> > >
> > > But I’m glad we kept unassisted, so those who desire legacy
> > contesting have
> > > their sandbox to play in.
> > >
> > > Ria
> > > N2RJ
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 8:53 PM Hans Brakob<kzerohb@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Nice sidestep, Director.
> > >>
> > >> 73, de Hans, KØHB
> > >> “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >> *From:*
> > CQ-Contest<cq-contest-bounces+kzerohb=gmail.com@contesting.com>
> > >> on behalf ofrjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com>
> > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 7:24:37 PM
> > >>
> > >> *To:* Ken Boasi<n2zn@rochester.rr.com>
> > >> *Cc:* Barry W2UP<w2up.co@gmail.com>; CQ-Contest Reflector <
> > >> cq-contest@contesting.com>
> > >> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in
> contests
> > >>
> > >> The full Board does not make a motion to adopt rules changes
> > anymore.
> > >> This goes direct from the PSC to the radiosport department.
> > There is a
> > >> PSC report that is adopted (in the consent agenda) but that's
> about
> > >> it. Also, the CAC is actually driving these rule changes now
> > with the
> > >> PSC merely approving their recommendations.
> > >>
> > >> Ria
> > >> N2RJ
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:43 PM Ken
> > Boasi<n2zn@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>> I’m not an ARRL apologist, but the CAC has been discussing
> > this since at
> > >> least a year ago, and made a recommendation for this change in
> > their July
> > >> meeting. You can look up the minutes on the ARRL website. It
> > is task
> > >> 2020.5.
> > >>> I presume it was adopted in January at the ARRL Board meeting.
> > >>>
> > >>> I am not in favor of the change, but I guess I had my chance
> > to comment
> > >> on this (like the rest of us) over the past year, and failed to
> > do so,
> > >> either because I wasn’t paying attention, forgot to, or just
> > assumed that
> > >> “they would never do something like that”. Lesson learned…
> > >>> 73, Ken N2ZN
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 3:35 PM, Barry W2UP<w2up.co@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So which contest software will be the first to add,
> > "self-spot every
> > >> 15
> > >>>> seconds"?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Seems ARRL is back on its secrecy kick. I just renewed my ARRL
> > >> membership
> > >>>> for the 52nd year. It may be my last.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Barry W2UP
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:36 AM
> > PY2NY<py2ny.vitor@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Good afternoon.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I don't know exactly what to say or think about. My first
> > impression
> > >>>>> isn't good, including for those guys that are always
> "Assisted".
> > >>>>> DXCluster will have thousands of self-spots.
> > >>>>> Thanks God I'm always "no-Assisted"...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 73 DX and see you all next weekend.
> > >>>>> .
> > >>>>> ..
> > >>>>> ...
> > >>>>> --------------------------------
> > >>>>> PY2NY / SP9NY / V26NY - Vitor Luis Aidar dos Santos
> > >>>>> http://military-jeep-brasil.blogspot.com.br/
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Em qua., 16 de fev. de 2022 às 09:23, Randy Thompson <
> > >> k5zd@outlook.com>
> > >>>>> escreveu:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> From the ARRL Contest Update today:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> "New Rules in effect for all ARRL HF Contests in June
> > >>>>>> Starting with the ARRL International Digital Contest, in all
> > >> categories
> > >>>>>> that allow assistance (Unlimited), the use of online and other
> > >>>>> non-amateur
> > >>>>>> radio platforms including but not limited to social media,
> > live video
> > >>>>>> streaming, and internet chat rooms will be allowed. In all
> > Unlimited
> > >> and
> > >>>>>> Multioperator categories, the prohibition of self-spotting,
> and
> > >> asking
> > >>>>>> another station to spot you, will also be removed."
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Wow. It was one thing for the VHF contests to allow use of
> > chat
> > >> rooms
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>>> telephone calls, now this is extended to all HF contests.
> > It should
> > >> be
> > >>>>>> interesting to see what unintended consequences result from
> > allowing
> > >>>>>> multi-ops and assisted competitors to spot themselves. You
> > could spot
> > >>>>>> yourself with every CQ if you wanted to. Or you can call
> > people on
> > >> the
> > >>>>>> phone and ask them to get on the air. Or send out email
> > reminders to
> > >> work
> > >>>>>> you during the contest.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> It is likely to have the most impact on SSB to produce
> spotting
> > >> equal to
> > >>>>>> what the RBN does for CW and RTTY.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> For an organization that has always been so timid and
> > conservative on
> > >>>>> rule
> > >>>>>> changes, the ARRL seems to have sprung this one without much
> > >> consultation
> > >>>>>> with the contest community. I assume it is in reaction to
> > the W2RE
> > >>>>>> incident several years ago in ARRL DX where he used live
> > streaming on
> > >>>>>> Facebook during the contest.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Randy K5ZD
> > >>>>>>
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