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Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests
From: Paul O'Kane <pokane@ei5di.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 22:04:33 +0000
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This argument is futile.  Regardless of how FT8 works, CW is an analog mode along its entire RF signal path - a mode that can be decoded by people.   If CW is sliced and diced to make it a digital RF mode that has to be un-sliced and un-diced before being output in an audible form, then it's no longer CW.

AB7E is welcome to his "enhanced CW", but count me out - it's time to get real.

73,
Paul EI5DI


On 19/02/2022 20:55, David Gilbert wrote:

I know how FT8 works (I've studied Joe's papers and researched the principles) and I would have no intention of making anything else work like FT8 does.  It's simply too restrictive, particularly for contesting.  But the signal processing behind FT8 is applicable to several different communication formats.  If you really knew how FT8 works you'd understand that.

Dave  AB7E


On 2/18/2022 2:30 PM, Peter Voelpel wrote:
You better read how FT-8 works and compare

-----Original Message-----
From: David Gilbert [mailto:ab7echo@gmail.com]
Sent: Freitag, 18. Februar 2022 22:13
To: Peter Voelpel; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests


Wrong.  FT8 has nothing to do with CW, but the signal processing behind
it could be used to significantly enhance CW.  Think RTTY with MUCH
better S/N and an audible output instead of text on the screen.

73,
Dave   AB7E


On 2/18/2022 12:03 PM, Peter Voelpel wrote:
That communication technique has nothing in common with CW at all!

73
Peter, DJ7WW

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces+dj7ww=t-online.de@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
David Gilbert

The signal processing techniques utilized in FT8 could have been used to
enhance the signal-to-noise of normal CW in a way that would have been
virtually transparent to the operator


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