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Subject: [RFI] Computer Keyboard RFI
From: Egon Boehm" <egon@virtual-net.com.br (Egon Boehm)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:50:48 -0200
I am using a Digital VT320 terminal in the packet dx-cluster link.
The problem was very bad on 80/160 meters. So I decided to put .01
capacitors from each of the
key wires (keys to printed circuit into the keyboard) to ground. Wow ! it's
fine now on 160.
Next day I called a friend on 20 and :-(
The RFI shifted from 160 to 20 m.  That all after install a lot of C's... 

Certainly the keys and its wiring (all flat cable) are the "antennas". 

73

Egon Boehm
PY2BW
mailto:egon@virtual-net.com.br

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> rfi-digest         Wednesday, January 28 1998         Volume 01 : Number
016
> Can anyone recommend a computer keyboard that is RFI resistant,
 
> >Can anyone recommend a computer keyboard that is RFI resistant,
> >preferably a compact type? I have applied ferrite toroids to both ends
> >of the keyboard cable just in case the cable was acting as an antenna
> >but this did not correct the problem. Un plugging the key board clears
> >the problem. Whenever I transmit on 80 or sometimes 40 meters the
> >computer genetates all kinds of strange characters, etc. on the screen.
> 
> Unfortunately, I can't tell you which keyboards are okay; hams don't call

> ARRL HQ and tell us that they are NOT intefering with their computers.
:-) 
>  At W1AW, they currently have Gateway 2000 computers; their keyboards
seem 
> immune, although I must admit that our antennas are located up in the air
a 
> bit. :-)
> 
> I note that you had tried ferrite material, but the single clamp-on beads

> are really not enough for 80 or 40 meters.  Get some FT-140-43 ferrite
cores 
> (Amidon, Palomar, etc), or other cores you KNOW to be ferrite that will
work 
> in the HF range and warp about 10 turns of the keyboard cable onto a
ferrite 
> core, at both ends of the cable.  This SHOULD make a significant
difference, 
> at least in the power theshold that causes the problem. If you find it
goes 
> from 15 watts to 95 watts, for example, you are on the right track.
> 
> If it makes no difference, it may be the wiring in the keyboard itself
that 
> is causing the problem. (This could also be true if it goes from 15 watts
to 
> 50 watts, as an example: the problem could have a 15 watt threshold on
the 
> cable pickup and a 50-watt threshold on direct pickup.)  If it IS the 
> keyboard, the easiest solution is to try another.  You could also TRY
some 
> of the EMI shielding sprays available, trying to get a good shield inside
at 
> least most of the keyboard.   You could also try a shielded keyboard
cable, 
> grounded at either the computer or the keyboard end, or both.  Flat
1/2-inch 
> braided strap is usually hollow and can be used to shield your existing 
> cable.
> 
> If you do try sprays, try to ensure that both halves of the keyboard case

> will be electrically connected to each other and to the keyboard-cable 
> shield.  And remember, these sprays are conductive paint; if the surface 
> being sprayed is not clean and compatible with the spray, the paint could

> flake off later, putting bits of metal flakes inside the keyboard.  The 
> gibberish on the screen will probably return.
> 
> Radio Frequency Interference has a chapter on computer  RFI.
> 
> 73 from ARRL HQ,
> Ed Hare, W1RFI
> ARRL Lab
> 
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To: <rfi@contesting.com>
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:49:43 -0500
> From: "Richie" <aa2mf@earthcom.net>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] computer keyboard
> 
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> > From: Richie <aa2mf@earthcom.net>
> > To: David Pugatch <dp@sj.bigger.net>
> > Subject: Re: [RFI] computer keyboard
To: <rfi@contesting.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 10:48 PM
> > 
> > 
> >                                             Jan.28,1998
> >     Dave, I find the IBM Spacer Saver keyboard dose the job very well for
> me.
> >     I get them at the local computer shows for around $20. My station and 
> >     antenna farm are all located within my 25ft x 44ft back yard. I
> sometimes
> >     have to use my amp on 160, 80 and 40 and I find the computers are RF
> >     free. I can't say how well these keyboards will work above 40 under
high
> >     power conditions becouse I do not operate that way.
> >                             Rich/AA2MF
> >    ----------
> > > From: David Pugatch <dp@sj.bigger.net>
> > > To: rfi@contesting.com
> > > Subject: [RFI] computer keyboard
To: <rfi@contesting.com>
> > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 5:29 PM
> > > 
> > > Can anyone recommend a computer keyboard that is RFI resistant,
> > > preferably a compact type? I have applied ferrite toroids to both
ends
> > > of the keyboard cable just in case the cable was acting as an antenna
> > > but this did not correct the problem. Un plugging the key board
clears
> > > the problem. Whenever I transmit on 80 or sometimes 40 meters the
> > > computer genetates all kinds of strange characters, etc. on the
screen.
> > > 
> > > 73 and tnx. Dave, KI6WF..
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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